Pitman / Braddy Bible
A bit of an update… this is a link between the families I’ve recently found. All these folks hail from Isle of Wight, VA.
Robert Flake Sr d 1697
…dau Elizabeth Flake m Thomas Hayes
……..son Arthur Hayes (abt 1700 – d 1776)
………….dau Mary Hayes m James Pitman Jr
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Robert Flake Sr
…son Robert Flake Jr m Margaret Marriott
……….dau Katherine Flake m William Braddy (married 1718 according to Chapman Marriages)
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Sidelines of interest…
John Clark and Mary Flake, dau of Robert Flake [must be Flake Sr] 1670 (W&D B, 2 Chapman)
Joseph Wombwell – Mrs. Joanna Clark “relict” of Joseph Clark, 1763 (O.B. 1759-63, Chapman)
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I jumped into these Braddy folks looking for some descendants in Edgecombe, NC… I’ve decided to back up a bit to get some background info (I’ve completely dumbfounded myself in the “comments” with Traci).
I assume these are the first two Patricks of this Braddy line…
Chapman abstracts of IOW
1665
BRADDY, (BRADIE), PATRICK: Appointed Eliazabeth Braddy, his relict, Extx. April 10, 1665. R. June 21, 1665. Security, Mr. Taberer, George Moore. Page 9
1697
BRADDY, PATRICK: Noncupative, proven by John Skelton and his wife Susanna. Leg.-wife Elizabeth and children. R. June 9, 1697. Page 38
This appears to be a third one, alive, in 1716:
Surry Wills, Davis
COGGEN, William: Est. – By Elizabeth Coggin 20 Mar., 1716. Signed Thomas Davee (or Dovell), Charles Farrell, Patrick Braddy. Book 7, p.49
JARRETT, Charles… wit: Patrick Brady … Prob: 1719 Book 7, p.217
IOW Deeds, Hopkins… GB Vol2, pg 152
(pg.719) 25 Oct 1725…. Robert Hodges ans wife, Ann Hodges, of Isle of Wight to Patrick Bradys of Surry County…. 50 acres in the upper parish between the swamp (being land taken up by John Oliver who willed it to his two daughters who sold it to Gearge Branch, the father of the said Ann Hodges, and he gave it to her son George Branch (?) who sold it to Ann Hodges???).
Rec: 25 Oct 1725 Robert (X) Hodges
Ann (X) Hodges
An interesting reference is the George BRANCH noted in the deed above… I found this entry below in the IOW Vestry Book for 1727 which also notes a BRANCH. My hunch is this land is on the Surry/Isle of Wight county line. This reference has William Braddy living next, or very nearly next, to Patrick Braddy. I think it reasonable to assume they are related.
Another reference to Patrick Braddy: (not sure of the source)
(p. 713) (probably about Apr-Jul 1737) Account of the Estate of Mr. Arthur Allen, deed, by Arthur Smith, Jr., and wife Elizabeth Smith, and James Bray, Administrators show payments to Mrs. Mary Baker, Patrick Brady, George Williamson, John Chester, Martin Dawson, Robert Lancaster, William Seward, James Ingles, Isaac Cornwell, Samuel Hargrave, Nathan Marlow, Sarah Thorp, William Flake, William Bridger, William Atkinson, William Waller, Thomas Thornton, WILLIAM PITMAN, William Little, Robert Jones, Charles Pitts, Lawrence Baker and Susanna Hargrave (Surry Co VA).
Isle of Wight County Deed Book, 1741-1744 by Wm. Lindsay Hopkins
Deed bk. 6 (p240) 23 Apr 1743…. Willam Braddy to Benjamin Ward…. 50 acres on Blackwater (being land given on 21 Jul 1718 by Robert Flake to his daughter Katherine Braddy who was then the wife of William Braddy the father of the above William Braddy).
Rec: 25 Apr 1743 William Braddy
WOMBWELL, John: Leg.- Of Isle of Wight Co. To sons, benjamin, Joseph, John each one shilling. Daughters, Martha and Mary Wombwell. Wife, Mary, Exerx. 21 Jan, 1746. Wit: Wm. Brady, Edward Pittman, Wm. Flake, John Giles, Matthew Jordan. Book 9, p.543
William Braddy, Sr married Katherine, the daughter of Robert Flake. One of these Williams dies 1738… which one? Did Katherine (Flake) die prior to 1738 and William Sr remarry Olive _____ or did William Jr marry Olive?
So… (thinking out loud) A Patrick Braddy dies without a will in 1697, relict Elizabeth and “children” mentioned. Seems likely 2 of those children were Patrick (Jr) and William… perhaps born say, 1685. This William dies in 1738 with wife Olive. She dies 1754 and this scenario makes for a “reasonable” life span for each. Hormones acting like they do… it is likely the next generation William (Jr) was born around 1705… I say that because of the 1743 deed above where this son has property in 1743 acquired from his father, yet at the father’s death in 1738 he left “small children”… it is evident he had a second marriage and that would be Olive. Now it gets complicated. Since William Sr married Katherine Flake as late as 1718, his son William (Jr) could be from yet another “first” wife. Just kidding… if William Jr was born just after 1718 then he would be of full age to have the property by 1743. Still, its complicated because we have a full grown son and a mess of “small” children…all siblings.
Page 92
Braddy, William. Appraised by William Clark, Thomas Coffer, Joseph Atkinson. Signed Olive Braddy. Ordered January 22, 1738 R. March 26, 1739 Page 223
1748
Page 134
Braddy, William. Account estate, to maintaining four small children. Signed Olive Braddy. Examined by Jordan Thomas, James Bridger. R. June 9, 1748. Page 120
1753
Page 166
Braddy, Olive. Estate appraised by Francis Ward, Thomas Copher, Mason Braddy. Signed James Sampson Clark, Ordered, March 1, 1753. R. May 3, 1753. Page 56
1754
Page 168
Braddy, Olive. Account estate examined by Jordan Thomas and Dolphin Drew. Signed James Sampson Clark. R. January 3, 1754. Page 77
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1754 Again from the Vestry Book… there are references of a Joseph Mangum (various and hilarious spellings) starting 1754 and ending 1769. The gist is thus: “To Joseph Mangum for clothing Eliz. Braddy”. The child was obviously in his care for about 15 years.
Another similar reference… a few lines down is a reference to another mystery Pitman… James Pitman “for keeping Childres son”
The last reference to the child Elizabeth in 1769… this is also the last entry for any Braddys in the Vestry Book.
source: familysearch.org IOW Vestry Book, Images 91 (1754),92,98,99,100,102,107,109 and the last in 1769, 110.
Wait a minute… what if this Elizabeth isn’t a child? This is just as likely an old woman… could this be the “relict” of Patrick Braddy, the brother of William Braddy that died in 1738? … Just sayin’.
I am also curious why Mangum is taking care of this Eliz Braddy… why not a Braddy? It seems Wiliam Braddy had moved to NC at least by 1757 and since Mangum began his chore in 1754 it is perhaps around that year that William Braddy relocated to Beaufort Co, NC.
1759… William Braddy is witness to a deed in Isle of Wight: IOW Deeds 28A , Image 12 (familysearch.org)
Hmm… actually this is a NC deed that wound back up in IOW… apparently Mary Gwaltney is giving a Power of Attorney to sell some land in IOW. According to Chapman, (DB 5, p.111 & DB 10, p.68) Thomas Gwaltney married Martha Goodman, 1737. So here we have a William Braddy in Beaufort Co, NC in 1757…
…Note the “Soloman Tharp” (Thorpe) is mentioned with these folks as a neighbor in Isle of Wight… perhaps a coincidence (or not) but he also winds up with property near Fishing Creek in Edgecombe County at about the time a Patrick and Joseph Braddy show up there in Edgecombe… about 1761. (assuming it is the same Soloman Tharp)
Here are a few facts about Joseph Mangum I culled from this respectable site of Sadie Sparks http://www.sadiesparks.com/jmangum.htm
I’m not sure of any relationship of Braddy and Mangum but they obviously lived nearby…
Surry Co, Va records:
7/18/1739 List of Bills due est of Thos Cogging, mentions Joseph Mangum
Dec. 20, 1744- John Mangum Est by Olive Mangum, Admrx. Signed: Saml. Maget, Robt. Judkins, Barth. Figures
IOW Co-DB7, P 130 -6/10/1745-Wm Braddy to Samuel Person -deed-Wts: Joseph Manggum
Cavaliers & Pioneers, Vol V, P 339 Sept 20, 1748 James Baker, 190 AC IOW Co, S/S Main Blackwater, up the Run of Mile Br., in Grt. Pocoson, adj. his own old lines, Joseph Mangum, Thos. Humphrey, Wm. Goodrich, Benj. Goodrich, & Benj. Hodges
0/10/1748 Thos Humphries of Surry to Patience Jordan of IOW, land joins Joseph Mangum, Main Blackwater Swamp.
IOW Wills, BK 6. P 123 Will of Samuel Person, dated Feb. 15, 1753 Proved Oct. 3, 1754… WTS Henry Mangum, Constant Mangum, Joseph Mangum
Sept 4, 1755 IOW Co, Va., Bk 6, P 190 Joseph Mangum, Samuel Jones & Richard Jones Appraise Est of Samuel Person.
Jan 10, 1758 Reuben Proctor & w/Sarah to Thos Ward-deed-Wts: Samuel Person, Joseph X Mangum & James Cofer
May 3, 1759 IOW Co, Va. Bk 6, P 484 Joseph Mangum, Richard Jones, Benjamin Atkinson Appraise Est of Britain Jones.
Oct. 10, 1761 IOW Co, BK 7, P 141 Samuel Person Will-(Pro Apr 1, 1762) 1 Wts: Henry Mangum, Joseph Mangum
May 6, 1762 IOW Co, Will Bk 7 P 157 Joseph Mangum Will Pro. May 6, 1762
Leg-eldest son, Micajah, Son Elisha, son Josiah, wife, Lucy, Exrs: wife Lucy & son Micajah Mangum Wts: Henry Mangum
Isle of Wight Co., Va Wills Index:
Joseph Mangum Will, 1762
Joseph Mangum, Inventory, 1777
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Father of above Joseph was John Mangum… b1670-d1737
son- John, Jr Born Alb. Par, Surry, Va CA 1694, Died: Abt 1744 (Inventory) Surry Co., Va.
(M) Olive Savage (Admx of his Est)
Oct 6, 1728- Will of Loveliss Savage: names Dtr Olive Manggam, a pewter dish, etc. Wts: John Cofer, James Bennett, Anth. Evans
Oct 16, 1728 John Mangum, Sarah Savidge, Thos Francis Wit will of John Spratley
Dec. 20, 1744- John Mangum Est by Olive Mangum, Admrx. Signed: Saml. Maget, Robt. Judkins, Barth. Figures
Apr 7, 1763 IOW Co -Bk 7, P 229-Richard Jones Est. Appr. by Henry Mangum, Mason Bradley [Braddy?], Joseph Atkinson
Mention is made below of Elias Braddy… this is an account of one of the survey parties during the Byrd expedition of 1728… it gives an account of where his property was located very near Thomas Pitman near the NC border:
Field book of Alexander Irvine during the survey of the North Carolina/Virginia boundary
Irvine, Alexander
March 05, 1728 – October 26, 1728
Volume 02, Pages 799-815
page 808 ——————–
At 15 chains from the west side of Meherrin Carolus Anderson‘s bore S. 1 chain.
At 33 chains—To the river again
To find its breadth S. 37 W. 172 links Then the Line Tree on the west side of the river bore N. 46 W. The breadth is 260 links.
From this Line Tree 35 chains and Tho: Pitman’s bore north ⅛ of a mile.
At 139 chains and 50 links is a path leading to Willm Kinchens which crossed the line.
From this Place it is S. 20° E. to the river, which is distant a mile.
At Do Tho. Thornton’s bore S. 9 W. distant ½ mile.
At Do the widow Allen’s bore N. 6 W. ¼ of a mile.
At 164 chains from Do to Meherrin River.
To find the distance between this place and where the Line intersected the west side of the river which was on the north side of a red oak they run S. 49° 15′ W. 250 links, and the red oak bore N. 41° W. The Course of the river upwards N. 49° 15′ E. and downwards for 2 and ½ chains S. 49° 15′ W. then for 2 chains lower it is S. 20 W. then it turns short round to the left. The breadth of the river here is 340 links.
This day it was agreed by the Commissioners on both sides to proceed no further until the 10th day of September next ensuing.
September 20th 1728.
The meeting of the Commissioners for running the Line having by agreement been put off to this day they met at Kinchins accordingly
21. From a red and live oak on the west side of Meherrin river where the surveyors gave over running the line April the 4th 1728 They proceeded and run N. 87½ W. 12 chns. 50 links into Williams’s orchard his house was S. 2 chns. 50 links.
At 124 ch: 50 links from the beginning viz. the red oak; Elias Brady’s was N. 6 chains.
At 135 ch: from Do a main road from Brady’s Ferry to Barnaby Mackinne’s on Roanoake cut the line it is S. S. W. towards Roanoke and N. N. E. to the Ferry distant ¼ miler
At 140 chs 50 links to an Ashe on Meherrin River.
To find the Breadth of the river.
N. 25 W. over the river from which Place S. 80° W. 4 chs 50 lks. then S. 48° W. 2 chains 35 links to the Line.
Tho Breadth of the river here is 8 ch: 50 L.
From the west side of the river 60 chains
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The reference below is from the area on the VA/NC border near Meherrin River:
I think there may be a Margaret Braddy born 1730ish who winds up in Edgecombe…. who may be unaccounted for? This woman is obviously not her.
Note that Arthur Pitman was involved with her will and estate.
These Will and Court records are from this great site… http://www.brantleyassociation.com/pages/southampton_project.htm
The bible info can be found at the NC Archives site.
MARGARET BRADDY-Jul 29, 1750-Nov 8, 1750
Son ARTHUR CRAFFORD; daus; MARTHA PHILLIPS, ELIZABETH HAYS. Dau. MARY
CRAFFORD use of my plantation where I now live, and after her death to
my son HENRY CRAFFORD, and 50 acres adjoining to it in Carolina. Son
HENRY CRAFFORD, Exor. Wit: Arthur Pittman, Chaplain Williams, Jr,. WB,
20-21 (Cf Elias Braddy, 1737, Isle of Wight WB 4, 173)
husband
Wills and Administrations of Isle of Wight County, Virginia, Chapman, pg 173
ELIAS BRADDY: Leg. -daughter Elizabeth, my land in North Carolina; daughter
Mary; son Elias; wife Margaret. Exs., son Elias and son-in-law Henry Crafford.
D. 2 March 1735 R. 25 July 1737.Wit: John Joyner, James Joyner.
son
ELIAS BRADDY: Leg- mother Margaret Braddy, all my land in Virginia and North
Carolina. Mother, Extx. D. June 16, 1738. R. Nov. 23, 1741
Wit: Samuel Taylor, Henry Crafford page 380
Boddie’s take…
Robert Crafford made his will in Surry Oct 26, 1714, same probated Jan 19, 1714/15 (D. & W. 1709-14, p. 220)
His wife, Margaret, was probably the widow Davis at the time of her marriage to Robert, as Robert mentions his
son-in-law (stepson) Davis, in his will, also Peter Davis, in his will made in Bertie, NC (1723) mentions his “cousins”,
Arthur and Henry Crafford, who were Robert’s sons by his second wife.
Margaret Crafford, the second wife, was married to Ellis Braddy of Isle of Wight before 1719, for she and Ellis, Nov 17, 1719,
deeded land given her by Robert Crafford in his will. Margaret Braddy made her will in Southampton in 1750 and mentions
her son Henry Crafford and daughters.
Children of Elizabeth (Carter), first wife:
I. Carter, b. 1682 d. 1744 m. Sarah Swann
II. Elizabeth, b.1685, m. Thomas NEWSOM
III. Sarah, m. John NEWSOM
IV. Robert, will probated 1735, gives his “cousin” (nephew)
Carter Crafford, Jr. 2oo acres; mentions “cousin” Mary,
brother Carter’s daughter.
V. William; VI. Jane; VII Agnes; VIII Mary; IX Hester
Children of second wife, Margaret:
X. Henry
XI. Arthur
XII Martha, m. Philip
Virginia Historical Genealogies, By John Bennett Boddie, p 296
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IOW DB 5-159, dated 1 March 1736: Lease and release from Elias Braddy of Isle of Wight to James Joyner of Isle of Wight for 3 pounds, the land, tenements, hereditaments in Nottoway parish of IW on the south side Meherrin River, and bounded by (trees), said land containing about 50 acres by patent granted to the said Elias Braddy by Robert Carter, Lieut Governor of VA, on June 16 (10?) 1727, signed Elias (—his mark) Braddy. Wit- Henry Crafford, John Joyner, Thomas (T his mark) Clark. Recorded 26 Sept 1737. (John Joyner, witness is probably his brother)
Virginia Patents Book 20-324, 20 May 1742: James Joyner 50 acres south of Meherrin River.
(sold to Joshua Dawson on 2 Jan 1743, along with 150 acres bought from Elias Braddy)
IOW DB 365, dated 2 Jan 1743….James Joyner of Edgcomb County in North Carolina to Joshua Dawson of IOW…200 acres on the south side of Meherrin River in two tracts… one being 150 acres (being part of a patent granted Elias Braddy on 10 June 1727 which was deeded to the said Joyner on 1 March 1736 and another 50 acres (being a patent granted to said Joyner on 20 May 1742) adjoining Elias Braddy and Robert Hodges. Signed James Joyner. Wit: Chaplin Williams, Benjamin Williams and John Jones, Jr. Rec 26 March 1744.
This deed is between John Pitman and his brother Arthur… a witness is Henry Crafford. Per the Southampton Marriage Book, in 1770 2 daughters of John Pitman and wife Elizabeth were married. Daughter Elizabeth married Matthew Williamson and daughter Ann married William Andrews. I can’t find that John Pitman had any sons. Arthur Pitman died 1758 and I can’t find any children although there is a vague reference of “Pitman’s orphans” under the Guardianship of Michael Bynum in the Court Order Books of 1772-1777. (children are 2 girls: Priscilla and Lucy).
Southampton, Deed Book 1, p. 2,3 & 4
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To recap a bit, The Braddys and Pitmans lived somewhat close in Isle of Wight and had some interactions. Some of each family removed to the Meherrin River near the NC border and again there were some interactions… what to make of it???
Back to the bible references and Edgecombe County…
The William Pitman is still a mystery… Hugh B. Johnston suggested a possible candidate of the son in law of Andrew Ross. Wm. Pitman’s “supposed” second wife was named Margaret and we’ve looked to the possibility she was a daughter of Patrick Braddy mentioned in the bible. His daughter was simply too young.
Patrick Braddy wrote his will 17 Feb 1772… children mentioned:
Anne Teel Braddy
Job Braddy
Olive Braddy
Margaret Braddy
Mary Braddy
Edgecombe Minutes, Book III, Haun
Feb 1782
[160] The last Will and Testament of Patrick BRADDY decd. proved by the Oaths of Moses HARGROVE & Jacob BRADY, William HACKNEY the only Exor. therein named was at the same time qualified. Invy of the said decd. was retrned on Oath by the Exor.
Aug 1782
[182] William HACKNEY is appointed Guardian to Job, Olive, Margaret & Mary BRADDY Orphans of Patrick BRADDY dec. the sd. HACKNEY entered into Bondds 300pds Specie for the Boys each of the Girls 100pds Specie with Presley SPINKS Security.
PATRICK BRADDY June 20 1781 Feb. Cout 1782 Son: Job, plantation. Daus: Annie, Olive, Margaret and Mary.
So much for that idea… However, I note that Jacob Brad(d)y proved the will of Patrick… was he a brother? And if he had a brother did he have a sister? If there was a sister she could be a candidate for the 2nd wife of William Pitman. (Which would help to make sense of the bible reference). Duh.
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A tidbit concerning where the Patrick Braddy property was located …
1761 11 Jun. Joseph Dixon of Halifax Co., NC to Patrick Brady of Edgecombe Co., planter, for £4 Proc. money a tract of 175 acres on the north side of fishing Creek adjoining William Kinchen, Solomon Tharp, and Andrew Irvin it being part of a tract of 700 acres granted to said Dixon by deed bearing date March 10, 1761. Wit: Andrew Irvin, Joseph Braddy, John Flewelling. DB 00, p. 231.
1761 11 Jun. Joseph Dixon of Halifax Co., NC to Andrew Irving of Edgecombe Co., for £4 Proc. money a tract of 175 acres on the south side of Fishing Creek and on the Long Swamp adjoining both parties, it being part of a tract of 700 acres granted to said Dixon by deed bearing date March 10, 1761. Wit: John Flewelling, Bracewell Bridges, Joseph Braddy. DB 00, p. 237.
1761 11 Jun. Joseph Dixon of Halifax Co., NC to Joseph Brady of Edgecombe Co., planter, for £22 Proc. money a tract of 175 acres on the north side of Fishing Creek adjoining Patrict Brady, William Kinchen, and said Dixon, it being part of a tract of 700 acres granted to said Dixon bearing date March 10, 1761. Wit: Andrew Irving, Bracewell Bridges, John Flewelling. DB 00, p. 238.
1761 11 Jun. Joseph Dixon of Halifax Co. NC to Bracewell Bridges of Edgecombe Co., planter, for £4 Proc. money a tract of 175 acres on the north side of fishing Creek on the Long Swamp adjoining said Dixon, it being part of a tract of 700 acres granted to said Dixon by deed dated March 10 1761. Wit: Andrew Irving, Jos. Braddy, John Flewelling. DB 00, p. 243.
It seems highly likely this Patrick and Joseph Braddy are the sons of William Braddy who died isle of Wight in 1738. His estate mentions the “orphans” and this would place their births 1730s. And note, they probably had an older brother William who moved to NC perhaps as early as 1749. (wound up in Pitt County?)
This strengthens the idea…
“1 Aug 1754…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with Jordan Thomas, guardian, lists James Sampson Clark, ‘his mother’s estate,’ Patrick Braddy, Jr. and Joseph Braddy for the estate of their mother, Olive Braddy, after her decease.”
“7 Aug 1755…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with his guardian Jordan Thomas lists William Braddy.”
(William Lindsay Hopkins, Isle of Wight County, Virginia Deeds, 1647-1719, Court Orders, 1693-1695, & Guardian Accounts, 1740-1767 [Athens, GA: Iberian Publishing, 1993], p. 11)
Page 134
Braddy, William. Account estate, to maintaining four small children. Signed Olive Braddy. Examined by Jordan Thomas, James Bridger. R. June 9, 1748. Page 120
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Yes But! Braddy researchers may ask… What about the Patrick who was the brother of the William who died 1738? Was that his “relict” who was being cared for up until 1769? That is my assumption.
This appears to be his sons who stayed in Isle of Wight:
Isle of Wight Fee Book Vol 1, 1773, pages 12,13, 14
Fees concerning estate of William Flake…
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Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina 
Hi Marc,
I spoke briefly with my Braddy buddy last week. He brought me two boxes full of Braddy research. We didn’t have time then to go over it in detail, but he gave me some info in a nutshell that I can pass along, and then see if I can go through his stuff and pull out better info later.
He pointed out this abstract of an Isle of Wight Guardian Account:
“1 Aug 1754…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with Jordan Thomas, guardian, lists James Sampson Clark, ‘his mother’s estate,’ Patrick Braddy, Jr. and Joseph Braddy for the estate of their mother, Olive Braddy, after her decease.”
and
“7 Aug 1755…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with his guardian Jordan Thomas lists William Braddy.”
(William Lindsay Hopkins, Isle of Wight County, Virginia Deeds, 1647-1719, Court Orders, 1693-1695, & Guardian Accounts, 1740-1767 [Athens, GA: Iberian Publishing, 1993], p. 11)
The take among these researchers is:
1.) The deceased William Braddy mentioned above was married at least twice. His first wife was a Gwaltney (my bud couldn’t remember the first name offhand.) His second wife was Olive, mentioned above.
2) They think Olive was a Pitman. She was mother of Joseph and Patrick, as a suggested above.
3.) Patrick Jr., above, relocated to Edgecombe County.
4.) Because of the multiple marriages, there are half-siblings. One was William Braddy, Jr., who relocated to Pitt County, NC. (My bud descends from this William and has him well-researched.)
We can chew on that awhile. More later as I look through the Braddy stuff.
Traci
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Traci Thompson
October 29, 2012 at 7:52 am
Wow… an actual lead to chew on! I had been scouring some Braddys in Nansemond/Chowan with no luck…
This looks like the Isle of Wight Wm Braddy…
ROBERT2 FLAKE, JR. made his will 18 August 1722, which was probated on 15 April 1724, in Surry County. He mentions his daughter ELIZABETH FLAKE, son-in-law WILLIAM GWALTNEY, and “the rest of my children”. (Surry Co. Deeds and Wills 1715-1730, Page 528) The statement is made that WILLIAM GWALTNEY, the executor, refused to act, and the administration was then granted to WILLIAM BRADDY and KATHERINE his wife as the next of kin on 15 April 1724. KATHERINE was a daughter of ROBERT. (Chapman’s Marriage Records, Page 59, Isle of Wight Great Book, Page 191; Deed Book 6, Page 240) Others mentioned in the will of ROBERT JR. were ALICE GWALTNEY, KATHERINE BRADDY, ELIZABETH FLAKE. He also had a son named THOMAS as he is mentioned in the will of his grandfather MATTHIAS MARRIOTT. There was a WILLIAM FLAKE, of which there is an account of his estate in 1731 in Surry County, which is probably another son of ROBERT, JR. (Deeds and Wills 1730-1738, Page 122)
The “Gwaltney” suggests a Thomas Pitman connection… poor old Olive Pitman is getting passed around like a sack of potatoes tho’… Stricklands claim her… Elias Fort’s cronies claim her and now the Braddy Bunch (horrible pun…sorry).
Thanks!
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anderson1951
October 29, 2012 at 10:44 am
Good, you found that reference with the Gwaltneys and Flakes – I was going to post the correction that William Braddy was supposed to have been married to Katherine Flake, daughter of Robert Flake, not Gwaltney…but then, who the heck knows, they’re all tied up together anyway. The ones who came to this area were supposed to have ended up on Fishing Creek, i.e. that same divider between Edgecombe and Halifax, as the rest of the crowd.
Ha, Braddy Bunch…I told my research buddy to write up a book on this family and give it that title. 🙂 I feel a bad re-write of the theme song coming on! “Here’s the story…of a lovely lady [Olive Pitman]…”
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Traci Thompson
October 29, 2012 at 10:54 am
see here… we are discussing this “possible” William Pitman. I added a page for Joseph Wall once he got to Edgecombe… his property seems to be a major clue to identifying this guy…
https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/for-david-ii/
You and I had been all over this Wm in other posts…
He was either the son of Robert Pitman or that John Pitman who comes from IOW (Southampton) in 1746…
…still up in the air.
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anderson1951
October 29, 2012 at 11:23 am
I got a new tidbit…my Braddy buddy, Don (I’m going to be referring to him a lot, so I’d better start using his name), called today and we chatted about the Bible record. Take a look at the Bible on the NC Archives site…on the digital page 3, in which there are 3 of the Bible pages, two on top and one on the bottom, take a close look at the bottom scan. I had not noticed this before, as it is almost illegible, but this page appears to say, “Joseph Braddy his book given by his mother.” Don has a typed transcription, I think from the original, and this is the transcription given. He knows who had the original, and got a copy of the transcription from that person.
So, first it is William Pitman’s Bible, and then it comes into possession of Olive, and then given by her to her son Joseph Braddy. What’s the relationship of William to Olive, and how did Olive come to have the Bible?
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Traci Thompson
October 29, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Hmmm…. even the Archives site and zoomed in gives a poor image of the sentence you cite. I’m putting some faith in the transcription you cite tho’ because genealogy folks in my experience are an ornery bunch that you don’t want to tangle with.
So… my cohorts and I are within a gnat’s hair of “proving” the lineage of William Pitman. Either of our suspects will be related to Olive Pitman. Robert Pitman is her brother (both children of Thomas Pitman d.1730). The John Pitman we suspect could be the son of Thomas Pitman’s brother William Pitman (making John a cousin of Olive).
Looks like a whole heap of provin’ needs to take place…. The Olive (Pitman) Braddy as mother to Joseph and Patrick Braddy is an interesting twist.
Either way it seems like William Pitman and Patrick Braddy of the bible are cousins. Olive could be an aunt.
We just don’t have enough info to call it…
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OUCH! this doesn’t help the Olive Pitman theory…
Wills and Administrations of Isle of Wight County, Virginia, 1647-1800, Books 1-3
By Blanche Adams Chapman
pg. 132
BRADDY, WILLIAM: Appraised by William Clark, Thomas Coffer, Joseph Atkinson. Signed Olive Braddy. Ordered January 22, 1738. R. March 26, 1739. Page 223
pg. 175
BRADDY, OLIVE: Estate appraised by Francis Ward, Thomas Copher, Mason Braddy. Signed James Sampson Clark. Ordered March 1, 1753. R. May 3, 1753. Page 56
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anderson1951
October 29, 2012 at 7:15 pm
No, this Olive never left VA…sorry, thought you knew that.
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Traci Thompson
October 30, 2012 at 10:03 am
Oh, another thing to consider…we are not sure if Olive’s maiden name was Pitman, or her name by a first marriage.
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Traci Thompson
October 30, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Alright, let’s see if we can get on the same page…
husband
BRADDY, WILLIAM: Appraised by William Clark, Thomas Coffer, Joseph Atkinson. Signed Olive Braddy. Ordered January 22, 1738. R. March 26, 1739.
wife
BRADDY, OLIVE: Estate appraised by Francis Ward, Thomas Copher, Mason Braddy. Signed James Sampson Clark. Ordered March 1, 1753. R. May 3, 1753.
son (perhaps?)
BRADDY, MASON: Leg.-wife Priscilla; son Patrick; daughter Ann, wife of Edward Mintz. Ex., son Patrick Braddy. D. April 15, 1785. R. July 7, 1785. Wit: Patience Gwaltney, James Carrell, William Gay.
Isle of Wight Guardian Account:
“1 Aug 1754…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with Jordan Thomas, guardian, lists James Sampson Clark, ‘his mother’s estate,’ Patrick Braddy, Jr. and Joseph Braddy for the estate of their mother, Olive Braddy, after her decease.”
and
“7 Aug 1755…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with his guardian Jordan Thomas lists William Braddy.”
So we have a Patrick AND a Patrick JUNIOR – one older and one younger and not necessarily father and son. The older one stays in IOW and the younger one moves to Edgecombe. And somewhere in this mix is ANOTHER Olive who is believed to be a Pitman.
Am I on the same page now? The older Olive dies 1753 and the younger Olive is noted as alive 1754 in the Guardian Account “after her decease”.
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The drift I’m getting is a Patrick Braddy in Surry or IOW who might be the progenitor… the younger Patricks could be grandsons…
This looks like a known son of William m. Katherine Flake:
Isle of Wight County Deed Book, 1741-1744 by Wm. Lindsay Hopkins
Deed bk. 6 (p240) 23 Apr 1743…. Willam Braddy to Benjamin Ward…. 50 acres on Blackwater (being land given on 21 Jul 1718 by Robert Flake to his daughter Katherine Braddy who was then the wife of William Braddy the father of the above William Braddy).
Rec: 25 Apr 1743 William Braddy
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anderson1951
October 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm
I think we are on the same page, mostly.
Here’s a little more detail I got while talking again with Don yesterday…
1.) The idea that Olive was a Pitman comes solely from the Braddy/Pitman Bible connection. There’s no other evidence that we know of, aside from the fact that the name Olive shows up among Pitman families.
2.) The typed transcription Don has of the Bible has a source citation on it. It apparently came from a published Bible record compilation, “Bible Records of Cumberland Co., NC and other localities,” 1958-1959, published by the Col. Robert Rowan Chapter of the DAR, Fayetteville, NC. He does not have the whole thing, only the page with the deaths and miscellaneous entries. The entry regarding Patrick reads: “Patrick Braddy his Book Given by his Mother God Give him grace there in to look Not to look but to understand what is there in leading to the grace that God shall give.” There is no date for this entry. My library does not have this book, and I bet it is out of print, but I will see what I can do about obtaining it.
3.) As best as Don has been able to determine, the marriages and children of William Braddy Sr. were: m. 1st Katherine Flake, child William Jr.; m. 2nd Olive (maybe Pitman), children 1. Patrick, 2. Sarah, 3. Mason, 4. Joseph. An account of William Braddy’s estate, dated 1748, and abstracted in Wills and Administrations of Isle of Wight Co VA, p. 120, mentions the maintenance of “four small children.”
4.) There appear to be several older Patricks, stretching back into the early 1600s in VA. Don says there is simply not enough evidence to establish relationship, but surely there is one. The Patrick “Jr.” does indicate a living, older Patrick in the area; Don speculates an uncle.
5.) We think the 1754 guardian entry is referring to the same Olive, not another one. Generally, reference is made to someone’s “estate” after they are deceased. The wording of abstracts is often wonky and I would have to see the original to know for sure the context, but I think the entry is referring to deceased Olive – that this is happening “after her decease.”
Looking back over this site yesterday, I remembered the Thomas Pitman with daughter Olive. Could this one be her?
Also, looking through Don’s notes which he graciously let me borrow, I found an interesting entry from the Chowan Co. bound miscellaneous papers, 1694-1799, dated 1759, regarding the estate of a Richard and Mary Barnes that also mentions Joseph Braddy and Abraham Odam. Maybe a little late of a time period, but the Odam caught my eye.
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Traci Thompson
October 31, 2012 at 8:30 am
If you search the web for Olive Pitman you will get a zillion hits declaring her the husband of Elias Fort. I’ve never seen a shred of proof to back it up, so I’m completely open to speculation.
Boddie says this:
Elias Fort, born about 1700 in Surry, died in Halifax County, N.C. 1765; married first, Olive, daughter of
Elizabeth (Lancaster) and Thomas PITMAN, secondly, Mrs. Priscilla Barrow by whom he had no children. [Boddie, Southside Vir. Families, Vol I]………… in that same account Boddie describes this Elias as selling property on “Round Hill”… I can prove Boddie wrong about that… it was the cousin Elias who sold the property not this one….. so I don’t count Boddie as an authority in this case.
The only mention I know of her is her name listed in the will of Thomas Pitman 1728. So I don’t think anyone even has a grasp of her age. My thoughts being she could be born before 1700 or just before his will of 1728… who knows?
“To my six Daughters Five Pounds to each being Ann, Olive, Pratta, Elizabeth, Lucy, and Faith and for the rest of my Estate after my debts are paid I desire may be equally shared by my Trustees among all my children.”
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There are several Braddys to be found in the Chowan records… they were in the same area of Nansemond as Andrew Ross, the Odams/Odiums and Stallings. I have a map on the Page for Andrew Ross will… (well, the map doesn’t have any Braddys but it has Ross…the Braddys were in the area)
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anderson1951
October 31, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Just getting a handle on the early folks…
William Gwaltney
The Newsom Family: And Related Families of Surry, Isle of Wight, Southampton and Sussex Counties, Va.
B. C. Holtzclaw The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 48, No. 4, Oct., 1940
“THE JUDKINS FAMILY
The progenitor of the family was Samuel Judkins, who first appears
in the records of Surry Co. on Mar. 7, 1667/8, when Thomas Barlowe assigned him at patent of land (D. & W. 1645-72, p. 304). His wife was named Lydia ., and he had three sons: (1) Samuel Judkins, b. 1657-8
(first appears as a tithable in 1674) ; (2) Robert Judkins, b, 1660-61
(tithable first in 1677) ; and Charles Judkins b. 1670-71 (tithable first
in 1687). Samuel, Sr. died in 1672. His will, dated 1671 and probated
May 7, 1672 in Surry, leaves his property to his eldest son Samuel, sons
Robert and Charles, and wife Lydia. His widow, Lydia Judkins, married
in the fall of 1672 Thomas Pittman, Sr., Gent., called variously Lieutenant
and Capt. Thomas Pittman (marriage contract dated Sept. 10, 1672, D. & W.
1672-84, p. 20), and was dead prior to Mar. 4, 1678/9, when Lieut. Pittman
“at the request of his deceased wife” transferred property to Charles
Judkins, orphan (id., p. 201). This Thomas Pittman was born about 1614,
as he gave his age as “about 70″ in a deposition Nov. 4, 1684. He had at least two sons, Thomas and William, born of previous marriages. His
first wife was named Frances (cf. D. & W. 1645-71, p. 180) ; his second,
whom he married prior to Oct. 4, 1666, was Mrs. Martha Gwaltney, widow
of Thomas Gwaltney, whose first husband was Thomas Atkinson, and who
had a son James Atkinson by her first marriage, and at least one son
William Gwaltney by the second (cf. D. & W. 1645-71, pp. 281, 299)” …
4 Oct 1666 … Conditions agreed upon between CAPT. Thomas PITMAN & Mrs.
Mary GUALTNEY, before marriage. Thos. PITMAN gives bond that the widdowe
GUALTNEY after marriage with him, shall have the whole disposal of a horse
and mare which she now has to dispose of at her own pleasure, also 2
pewter dishes and cattle (kettle?), now called and known to be for the two
youngest children, also her youngest son, Wm. GWALTNEY, may have 2 yrs.’
schooling. Thos. PITMAN. wit: Roger POTTER, Luke MIZELLE. [ 1 ]
7 Nov 1667 … I, James ATKINSON, son of Thomas ATKINSON, deceased,
discharges Thos. PITMAN as he marrying the relict of Thos. ATKINSON,
deceased, & Thos. GWALTNEY, deceased, from all manner of debts or gifts
given me by my father’s will & also for Thos. GWALTNEY, my father-in-law,
give me by will or any other manner. James
ATKINSON. wit: Martin LAYCE, Thos. ATKINSON. [ 1 ]
ROBERT2 FLAKE, JR. made his will 18 August 1722, which was probated on 15 April 1724, in Surry County. He mentions his daughter ELIZABETH FLAKE, son-in-law WILLIAM GWALTNEY, and “the rest of my children”. (Surry Co. Deeds and Wills 1715-1730, Page 528) The statement is made that WILLIAM GWALTNEY, the executor, refused to act, and the administration was then granted to WILLIAM BRADDY and KATHERINE his wife as the next of kin on 15 April 1724. KATHERINE was a daughter of ROBERT. (Chapman’s Marriage Records, Page 59, Isle of Wight Great Book, Page 191; Deed Book 6, Page 240) Others mentioned in the will of ROBERT JR. were ALICE GWALTNEY, KATHERINE BRADDY, ELIZABETH FLAKE. He also had a son named THOMAS as he is mentioned in the will of his grandfather MATTHIAS MARRIOTT. There was a WILLIAM FLAKE, of which there is an account of his estate in 1731 in Surry County, which is probably another son of ROBERT, JR. (Deeds and Wills 1730-1738, Page 122)
So this William Gwaltney is likely the step-son of the first Thomas Pitman. He married Elizabeth Flake. (Wm Gwaltney b. bef. 1666)
William Braddy m. Katherin Flake.
………….sisters, sisters-in-law / brothers-in-law
All these folks born the same generation as Thomas Pitman Jr who d. 1730.
Olive Pitman is clearly of the next generation.
The above Wm. Braddy has son Wm. Jr….
Isle of Wight County Deed Book, 1741-1744 by Wm. Lindsay Hopkins
Deed bk. 6 (p240) 23 Apr 1743…. Willam Braddy to Benjamin Ward…. 50 acres on Blackwater (being land given on 21 Jul 1718 by Robert Flake to his daughter Katherine Braddy who was then the wife of William Braddy the father of the above William Braddy).
Rec: 25 Apr 1743 William Braddy
So this appears to be the son d.1754…
“1 Aug 1754…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with Jordan Thomas, guardian, lists James Sampson Clark, ‘his mother’s estate,’ Patrick Braddy, Jr. and Joseph Braddy for the estate of their mother, Olive Braddy, after her decease.”
and
“7 Aug 1755…Joseph Braddy, orphan of William Braddy, dec’d., with his guardian Jordan Thomas lists William Braddy.”
(William Lindsay Hopkins, Isle of Wight County, Virginia Deeds, 1647-1719, Court Orders, 1693-1695, & Guardian Accounts, 1740-1767 [Athens, GA: Iberian Publishing, 1993], p. 11)
According to this citation, Wm Braddy Sr m. Katherine Flake 1718 [G.B. p 191 and D.B. 6, pg. 240]……….. so if Wm Jr was legitimate he was born after 1718.
So Wm Jr was about 35 at his death in 1754. Any kids of his likely born after say, 1738…
Just from this guesswork it may be Patrick was born perhaps 1740? Did he have a sister that could marry William Pitman in Edgecombe?
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more to the point above…
Chapman abstracts of IOW
1665
BRADDY, (BRADIE), PATRICK: Appointed Eliazabeth Braddy, his relict, Extx. April 10, 1665. R. June 21, 1665. Security, Mr. Taberer, George Moore. Page 9
1697
BRADDY, PATRICK: Noncupative, proven by John Skelton and his wife Susanna. Leg.-wife Elizabeth and children. R. June 9, 1697. Page 383
1738
Page 92
Braddy, William. Appraised by William Clark, Thomas Coffer, Joseph Atkinson. Signed Olive Braddy. Ordered January 22, 1738 R. March 26, 1739 Page 223
1743 Isle of Wight County Deed Book, 1741-1744 by Wm. Lindsay Hopkins
Deed bk. 6 (p240) 23 Apr 1743…. Willam Braddy to Benjamin Ward…. 50 acres on Blackwater (being land given on 21 Jul 1718 by Robert Flake to his daughter Katherine Braddy who was then the wife of William Braddy the father of the above William Braddy).
Rec: 25 Apr 1743 William Braddy
How is it Olive Braddy signs for 2 William Braddy estates… one in 1738 and one in 1748?
1748
Page 134
Braddy, William. Account estate, to maintaining four small children. Signed Olive Braddy. Examined by Jordan Thomas, James Bridger. R. June 9, 1748. Page 120
1753
Page 166
Braddy, Olive. Estate appraised by Francis Ward, Thomas Copher, Mason Braddy. Signed James Sampson Clark, Ordered, March 1, 1753. R. May 3, 1753. Page 56
1754
Page 168
Braddy, Olive. Account estate examined by Jordan Thomas and Dolphin Drew. Signed James Sampson Clark. R. January 3, 1754. Page 77
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anderson1951
November 1, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Marc,
You said, “So Wm Jr was about 35 at his death in 1754. Any kids of his likely born after say, 1738…”
The William Braddy in 1754 is Sr. Remember, he married 1st Katherine Flake and 2nd Olive Pitman. William Jr. relocated to Pitt County, NC and has been well-tracked (he is my buddy Don’s ancestor.)
You asked, “How is it Olive Braddy signs for 2 William Braddy estates… one in 1738 and one in 1748?”
These are most likely referring to the same estate. Estate business can drag on for years. These are two different types of entries; one is an appraisal, the other is an account, apparently involving the minor heirs.
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Traci Thompson
November 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Something isn’t right here… (probably my brain)…
I looked at William Gwaltney to get a handle on these folks age, and said this…
So this William Gwaltney is likely the step-son of the first Thomas Pitman. He married Elizabeth Flake. (Wm Gwaltney b. bef. 1666)
William Braddy m. Katherin Flake.
………….sisters, sisters-in-law / brothers-in-law
All these folks seem to be of contemporary age….. born mid 1660s…
Olive Pitman could possibly be born before 1700 but not much… but then she has to grow up…Wm Braddy is an old man by that time.
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anderson1951
November 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Well, all we know for sure is that William Sr. was definitely a married adult as of 1718…how old an adult, we don’t know. Based on the 1743 land sale, William Jr. was born on or before 1722. And, presumably, Olive’s four kids were born prior to 1738.
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Traci Thompson
November 5, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I’ve added another tidbit of info from the IOW Vestry Book to the notes on the main Page. Still no earthshaking breakthrough… I’ve ran across enough “Olives” to realize that it was a fairly common name back in the day. You mention above “And, presumably, Olive’s four kids were born prior to 1738.”… the tidbit I added concerns one of the orphans from 1754-1769 (seems like she was under a guardian’s care for 15 years. Math is not my forte’ but this just doesn’t add up… (unless this was another Braddy’s orphan… I don’t know?)
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OR… perhaps this Eilzabeth was an adult…a widow?
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anderson1951
November 5, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Wow, very interesting tidbit…Elizabeth could belong to any of the Braddys, but it looks like she fits the timeline to be one of Olive’s “small children,” and obviously there’s a relationship between the Mangums and Braddys. You’re right, there’s a disconnect here…maybe two Olives? Ohhh I need a Tylenol.
With the Williams, buddy Don says that the last reference in IOW/Surry to William Braddy Jr. is a deed in 1752, where he appears to be selling out. This William was married to a Sarah, and he believes is the one who then appears in Pitt County, NC. This is why his theory was William Sr. married Olive – the William of 1752 and of Pitt clearly did not die in 1738. But, it is entirely possible that there are more than two Williams, or that one of the Williams does not belong to William Sr. Sheesh.
What bothers me most is that Patrick Braddy is obviously a minor, as he is appointed a guardian, but we don’t see any others appointed a guardian, which is seemingly a contradiction to Olive having “four small children,” and ten years later at that.
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Traci Thompson
November 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Well its good that I’m not alone with my confusion… I just hate to lose my mind all by myself. I suspect an adult Patrick perhaps of contemporary age to William lurking in the shadows. (image 19 at the beginning of this Page…1727) He was living nearby per the Vestry Book notation.
There is an Olive associated with the Mangums… the time frame doesn’t fit but I SURE was curious if the widow of Braddy may have saddled up with Mangum. Do you read below that Olive dies 1753?
1748
Page 134
Braddy, William. Account estate, to maintaining four small children. Signed Olive Braddy. Examined by Jordan Thomas, James Bridger. R. June 9, 1748. Page 120
1753
Page 166
Braddy, Olive. Estate appraised by Francis Ward, Thomas Copher, Mason Braddy. Signed James Sampson Clark, Ordered, March 1, 1753. R. May 3, 1753. Page 56
1754
Page 168
Braddy, Olive. Account estate examined by Jordan Thomas and Dolphin Drew. Signed James Sampson Clark. R. January 3, 1754. Page 77
Immediately at her death Mangum becomes guardian.
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anderson1951
November 7, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Years ago (early 1990’s), I use to correspond with Don L. Braddy as we were related on both my paternal (Haines of Southampton, L.I.) and my maternal side (Braddys’ of VA). I am wondering if the “Don” you mention is the same person. He was a tremendous researcher and found my uncle Ed Braddy as they were both retired navy/naval reserve, same VP-45 roster (out of Fort Walton Beach, FL.)
I am on Ancestry and Gedmatch (A012773) along with my maternal aunt Mary Jo Braddy Eakin.
My Braddy line hails from Lewis Braddy, R.S. from Warren County, GA (the son of James Braddy of Chowan County, NC). Lewis had sons Cullen L. born 1784 and James Wiley b. 1786. For several generations after Cullen L. Braddy until the early 1900’s, the family lived in Glascock County, GA. Then my grandfather, Edward Lamar Braddy, Sr. moved to Fort Lauderdale, FL. His grandson Ed Braddy is presently Mayor of Gainesville, FL.
Earliest ancestor is John Braddy of the Isle of Wright, VA who arrived as an indentured in 1624. I am working on documenting this line and interested in proving it using DNA.
On Gedmatch I am matching Pierce descendants and I think this is through the Robert Flake connection. I am interested in working with other descendants of these lines to prove our common lineage.
Kindest regards,
Heidi Haines Handley
heidihaines60@gmail.com
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Heidi Haines Handley
May 5, 2014 at 3:00 pm
I’ve researched the Southampton County, VA Pittmans for more than 20 years. John Pitman does not call Ann his daughter when he gives his consent. He does not give a relationship. I have not determined the connection, but I don’t believe she was his daughter.
“Per the Southampton Marriage Book, in 1770 2 daughters of John Pitman and wife Elizabeth were married. Daughter Elizabeth married Matthew Williamson and daughter Ann married William Andrews.”
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April Pittman
May 17, 2014 at 2:18 pm
My ancestor is James Brady Reeves (Reaves and others) of Lancaster Co SC. While searching the Lancaster deeds I found a Patrick Brady who was granted 250 acres on Cedar Creek 10 Sept 1765 in Craven County, St. Mark Parish SC. That land is in present day Lancaster Co SC. There was a Brady Tavern in upper Lancaster Co. in late 1700. (near the NC state line. Several of my ancestors were from Isle of Wight VA and Edgecombe Co NC. Some of the names connected to that group are Ward, Montgomery, Belk, Reeves, Sims, Harwell, Johnston, Graves, Williams, Blackman, Haile, etc. Both of my parents ancestors came from VA NC and on to SC. Frances Reeves Jeffcoat
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Frances Reeves Jeffcoat
June 9, 2015 at 2:47 pm
I am brand new to researching my heritage and have found myself on your site.
Fascinating!
I now am interested in this DNA linking. Do you have any guidance?
So far, without 100% verifying sources, etc, just ancestry has directed me from my grandfather’s father, to James Lavose Pittman – Walker Carter Pittman – Robert Jeremiah – Jeremiah – Arthur – Ambrose – Thomas….
Now I am going to try to start “confirming” things.
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Amber
August 5, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Amber
If your great grandfather was indeed a Pittman… I would look for a link to North Carolina. Then perhaps to Edgecombe County.
Marc
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anderson1951
August 8, 2015 at 4:49 am
hi guys im leaving this message for the braddy side i found that i have family james braddy coming from england sometime in 1700’s having won some land in war in carolina we have a long line of family here in the us , family everywhere anyone want to talk find me on facebook april thomas summerville ga
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april thomas
March 30, 2018 at 9:53 am
Seeking any proof that James Wiley Braddy of Warren County, GA is the son of patriot Lewis Braddy.
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Pat Colbert
October 25, 2018 at 5:27 pm
hi pat i do believe i have a james wiley braddy in my family tree my great grandfather was mack possey braddy his father doyle dawson braddy
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april thomas
September 3, 2019 at 7:38 pm
Looking for Information on Thomas Alexander Braddy born May 27,1794 in Virginia. migrated to Georgia. Married Malinda Rogers November 25,1830 in Jones County,Ga. Married Elizabeth Rogers. mentioned a son Cary Braddy. Cary Braddy was my wife’s Grand Father 2 times removed. Thomas Alexander Braddy was my wife’s Grand Father 3 Times removed. My wife’s mother is Betty Jannelle Braddy, Her Father Robert Edward Braddy His Father Cary Braddy. From Virginia to Jones County,Ga to Laurens County,Ga to Turner County,Ga.
Billy McNeese
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Billy McNeese
May 29, 2020 at 6:34 am
Mr. Anderson,
I am trying to identify the father of my 3x’s great grandfather, William L. Braddy (b. abt. 1806, NC/d. 1851, Ray County, MO). I strongly believe that he descended from William Braddy and Katherine Flake’s “son” *William Braddy, Jr. who was likely born in IOW or Surry, VA about 1720. It is the generations between them I am trying to identify:
William L. Braddy (1806-1851) was the son of
Unknown Braddy was the son of
James, John, Reuben, or William (III) was the son of
*William Braddy, Jr. (1720-1795)
I am extremely interested in your research regarding the Braddy’s of IOW and your conversation(s) with Traci Thompson in regard to William Braddy, Sr. marrying first Katherine Flake and second Olive. My brothers YDNA results show no link between our Braddy line and the descendants of William and Olive’s children that settled in Edgecombe County, NC.
My brothers closest YDNA match, and ONLY Braddy match, is a man who descends from *William Braddy, Jr.’s son James. This is at the 37 marker test. I upgraded to the Y67 marker test nearly 2 years ago and have not had a single match. FTDNA said this may suggest “rare blood,” because of a case of the “only son of the only son…” They said that an NPE is also a strong possibility.
*William Braddy, Jr. was the father of the 4 sons named above: James, John, Reuben, and William (III). He purchased land in Beaufort County, NC twice in 1760 (this land possibly straddled the new Beaufort and Pitt County line when Pitt was created in 1761). Between 1767 and 1772, he deeded land to each one of his sons. He is said to have died in Pitt County in 1795. I believe my Braddy line comes from one of these 4 sons.
The YDNA results of my brother suggest there may have been an NPE between Katherine (Flake) Braddy and someone other than William Braddy, Sr. that produced *William Braddy, Jr. born about 1720. The next closest match is an “Inglis.” Interestingly, James Bray Inglis (s/o Mungo Inglis and Anne Bray) was the clerk of the court of IOW in 1724. He was married to Anne Marot and reportedly only had one child; a daughter named Judith Bray Inglis. I wonder if he could have fathered *William Braddy, Jr. and this is a case of BOTH scenarios that FTDNA proposed?
My reason for contacting you and explaining all that I have is to ask if you have come to any further conclusions regarding William Braddy of IOW marrying Katherine Flake first and Olive second? Until reading your blog, I had assumed they had married different William Braddys. If this is in fact the correct version of the events, *William Braddy, Jr. actually being a child of someone other than a Braddy would explain the absence of shared DNA with the Edgecombe Braddys.
I hope I don’t have you thoroughly confused! Thanks for your time.
Jami
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Jami Stoneking
September 5, 2020 at 2:26 pm
Well Jami… I am confused (but that is normal)
I have a similar DNA problem in that I also think my GGGrandfather William Anderson d.1789 was a bastard child. In that scenario I would technically be a Brantley. (Because I have been utterly inundated with Brantley matches) Its like trying to deny that I have white skin.
I have not kept up to speed with this Braddy/Ptman line… I do remember that Traci the Librarian was well versed in these folks…. I would suggest a query to her to determine her availability and interest. I do know that she may have known some local Braddy desendants. Her idle remarks show the research.
I am a property/ land type of researcher…. I suggest mapping the areas you can find for clues.
Marc
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anderson1951
September 6, 2020 at 10:36 am
Thanks for replying! I almost expected to confuse you, although I tried not to. I will definitely try to connect with Traci. Have a great day.
Jami
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Jami Stoneking
September 21, 2020 at 11:39 am
I have a DNA match to Heidi Haines Handley on Gedmatch. For the Brady family. I have been stumped by a relationship of Peggy W. Brady, of Warren County, Ga. She is reported to have been born in Va in1775 and married David Morgan in 1801 in Ga. She was 6 months pregnant with my gggrandfather, also named David at the time. I can find no record of her before the marriage other than a marriage license to marry a Mr. Proctor one week before she married David. Do you know who Peggy was? A widow?
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Susan Mazzotti
April 9, 2022 at 3:24 pm
Hi Susan
I emailed Traci the Librarian with your question… she is my GoTo guru on the Braddy folks…
I am mapping Edgecombe County and have ran across the PROCTORs… I’ll keep a lookout for the Braddys…I will Post it soon.
Marc
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anderson1951
April 10, 2022 at 12:40 am