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1. Maybe the judge got confused like me. John Rogers married to Hester who was actually an Esther ( not Easter..typo) Interesting that Dunn moved into John Rogers old Stomping grounds but John Rogers Sr. and Jr were long gone.
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   Side note check the 1722 sale and see if your wit: Robert Lawrence was actually RICHARD Lawrence.
   for sure John Due is misspelled. He is the atty. John Dew of Is of Wt AND the Meherren R regio
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   OK here is my take on this. John Rogers 1st is dead since ca l685. JOhn Rogers the younger is married to Richard Booth’s sister. By 1722 John and his son John have moved from Nansemond Cabbin Sw. to the North side of the Meherrin. they finally sell their old property. Both of their wives are still alive. (Benjamin Ricks will) Briodgett and Mary. So the 1722 papers refer to John Rogers Sr. actually 2 generation and married to Richard Booth’s sister. and the John Rogers JR. on the document is married to Bridgett Cook.
   I will add this to the notes: John Rogers II w/ Mary dies in 1724 and his estate items are listed in the Bertie County abstracts by Ms. Bell…signed by J. Rogers Jr. Do you dispute this?
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   you say,” Did pop high-tail it across the Blackwater to Isle of Wight Corrowaugh area”.. I think possibly so, if he was not dead- where would he and Mary ye younger sleep? I cannot add my deposition on the John Youing testamony about Lynnhaven. I thought this was a nursing home name you made up.
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   (I dug up most of this stuff way back in the Memphis library in 1997 or so but it was too soon for me. I had to get the preliminary tree worked on to catch up.)
   You really know how to dig up my relatives painful past. Oh well you might as well finish it. RS

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 1, 2013 at 4:31 pm

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   • I suppose I should tone down the humor a bit… you know by now I’m a smart ass but it is meant in good fun… I can see how some folks could be offended. Point taken.
     Lynnhaven was another term for Isle of Wight/Nansemond area… I’ve come to think of it as the area on either side of the Nansemond River early 1600ish.

     I think these folks were salt of the earth types… for that reason I think the early guy from the 1638 reference (the Burgess) has nothing to do with your guys. The castletrash guys were powdered wig frilly shirt types. They were cutthroats and they used their literacy to their advantage. “Our” guys made up for it with that uniquely “American” attitude of “keep it up and we’ll whip your ass”… they showed it in 1676 in Bacon’s Rebellion. They showed it again in 1776.

     Are you still going to Richmond… if so that 1722 deed would be a good find… it is not in the Isle of Wight records on Familysearch.org?

     I’m thinking the sale of land to Edward Grantham is your guy and he is the one who died between 1700 and 1703 on Cabbin Swamp.

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     anderson1951

     June 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm

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2. First, No irritation here. You are showing a whole new ballgame from what many others have. I respect the fact that you have no ax to grind. I made a typo a few paaragraphs ago( one cannot do that on a ” ye younger”
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   There are too many things here for me to comment on as a quick response. I need to regroup and RETHINK.
   My brain is has made up its mind and is resisting this. Still going to Richmond. At least you have spotted that these Rogers’ largest (documents) must be digested. I need to reread and make a list of things to comment on . RS

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 2, 2013 at 6:36 am

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3. One important thing. I has been suggested, descided , whatever a long time ago that the Daniel Rogers reference on the 200 acres grant is actually Daniel Regan sp? you have him on your plotted map along the Cypress Creek but others have them adjoining. There was a Daniel Rogers (brother) that is a titheable Of John Rogers ut never heard from again. RS

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 2, 2013 at 4:14 pm

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   • Well, there was a Daniel Regan and he shows up in the tithables. However, if ever a name was spelled out clearly on a patent, it is that Daniel “Rogers”. He disappears… either he left or he died. John Rogers with his first son on the tithables shows up in 1674 (son turned 16 presumably). So there is no explanation for the Daniel reference on the patent (other than a guess).

     In 1678 (tiths) – Jno Rogers & Jno Rogers his son and Danll. his son, 3

     William Rogers at ye widow Owen,1

     I can’t see any logic here… but I can see where the guess came from if you consider a “naming pattern”… if this (freshly minted 16 year old Daniell) is named after a dead brother Daniel (of John Sr).

     There is also a Rich: Rogers in the 1668-1670 tiths… he disappears also… so there may be a connection with the Daniel.

     I will post my version of the tiths later… good stuff.

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     anderson1951

     June 2, 2013 at 5:27 pm

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     • The Daniel Regan thing has been around for a long time. Yes Daniel Rogers is clear. I did not get involved in that issue and thought perhaps it was one of those illegible names.

       This is another reason that when I wrote “the Northside of the Meherrin ” I kept to the main facts. That is the Flow of proof from Cypress Creek, Beaverdam Sw. Cabbin Sw area and “”Hills Ferry””” on the Meherrin
       The House of Burgesses, Bacons rebellion, Hester affair etc. I chose not to tell people all that I could stuff in that turkey………..fluff. Fined for not planting corn.. a distraction in some cases.

       Rogers

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       Benjamin Rogers Smith

       June 3, 2013 at 6:16 am
4. Went to0 the library this am. I have read so many abstracts that concern the land at the Hills Ferry location. l the first one being 2 Aug 1715 that lists T. Brown, John Dickinson John. applerite John rogers William Collins and Joseph Rawlinson.. Here is a new one for me.

   #1410 William Collings(Collins_) of Nansemond and his wife Mary to Mary Brasswell of Albemarle 21 Aug 1721 190 acres on the North Side of the Meherrin R. joining the River in possessin of Mary “and is all patent granted me” 10 Aug 1720 Wit Joseph Dardin, Matt Williams, John Molten, John Dew given power of Atty. by William and Mary Collins (Mary Brasswell is the W/ Willliam Brasswell) It seems all of these heap proof of the John Rogers being the same as in Nansemond (Cabbin Sw) and Is of Wt (Beaverdam Sw)

   Hog thieves.. In 1681-82 John Rogers Sr and Jr were sued at least 2 times for stealing hoggs . Remember John Rogers Sr was the recipient of pt of the estate of John Dixson in 1659… “all the hogs that ran through the woods” In due respect I guess a of these colonialists killed hoggs in the winter.

   Secondly in 1684 there were a few court actions against John Rogers Jr.
   finally on May 6 1684 Ed Bayly (atty) assignee of John Rogers Jr. pertaining to the judgment agst. John Rogers Jr. and fine pd to sherrif for 779 lbs for non-apopearance of John Rogers Jr. (reversed I guess) beause of the oath of Thomsa Jordan about Rogers Jr.) “for his going to the South”???
   again Baily was the family atty for the land sale to Grantham.

   These court actions appear to me to be “our” John Rogers”.. The dates baffle me.

   As you suggested a Burgess could get his white ruffles in a wad chasing these critters.

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   another thought …the name Richard Lawrence in Nansemond. It was perhaps his namesake that was in Bacons Rebellion . YOU should read his account.. I think he and Bacon and Berkeley may have gone to Oxford together.. Richard had to skip the country and save his hide.

   Rogers

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 3, 2013 at 11:13 am

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5. We are a bit slower down here in MEM-phis. I DO like your auggestion about Gib Gibson and the rough rider traders connecting to William Howell via Edmond Howell . It’s probably going to be our (your) best and only shot at the Howell connection. I may ask you to do a separate piece on this for file. Thank you

   RS

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 3, 2013 at 6:58 pm

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6. Ref: Titeables..Thanks for pareing this down:

   Notes William Howell listed yearly from about 1690-1701. Arthur Jordan in 1695 as is Wm. Howell

   Edmund HIowell 1668

   INTERESTEING: 1700 Thomas Bentley, Thomas Rogers, Tom a negro
   1701 Thomas Bentley, Thomas Rogers, Tom a negro
   (Th Rogers quit rent role 1704 50 ac.)
   (THo. Bentley name in the court affair of deathbed estate divie of John Dixon, Arth. Jordan, and John Rogers 1659.

   Pertaining tdo Thomas Rogers who died in 1713? Chowan Prec Wiccocon area, the titheable os the only other mention of that name that I have other than the Quit Rent. Smells good? lLow profile!

   Rog leaving 6-5 in the AM

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 4, 2013 at 9:10 am

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   • Everyone “assumes” that the William Rogers associated with Owen is a son of John Rogers… I’m not so sure because he is still in Surry by 1701 (perhaps longer) and note in the Godson patent with mention of John Rogers will that he bequeathed property to son William. So we may have 2 different Williams same year but different Counties. The one in Surry may be another son of Rich Rogers???

     This would be worth looking up at Richmand Archives… probably has the estate papers also…

     Surry County, Virginia Wills & Deeds: Will of Richard Rogers, dated 27 March 1678, proved 7 May 1678 a cow to godson Richard Hide at age 17

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     anderson1951

     June 4, 2013 at 10:10 am

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7. The William Rogers of Surry titheables is the first son of John Rogers. This is a proven genealogical fact.
   “From Jamestown to Birmingham” by Maurice Rogers. He did no work on brother John. I met him a couple of years ago.

   In about 1998 I found the C & V Nugent abstracts of Nansemond. I’m very surprised because I seem to have collected this out of thin pure air. With all of my work the ultimate best question was where did these Rogers come from. I immediately hit a dead end. Because the apparent ages of the Rogers, , Joseph 1 Benjamin 1Robert 1, this held jinxedthe conclusion that they were sons of brother William. Worth Ray proposes that Robert was part of the burned out Is of Wt Nansmond record. Possibly related to Edward Rogers 1623? Warresqueek? ( I have traced Robert accross Nansmeond into Chowen Precinct Bertie and Edgecomb. Thiey had a lot of Isle of Wight friends, Thomas, Langston, Odam, Vann, etc.

   Now you have helped the effort emmensely. I have refined my question some. FIRST querrstion?
   Because John Sr and Jr are adjacent to Joseph and all are a part of the William Howell patent, who is Joseph Rogers.??? Obvioiusly he is a of Southwark/ B Lawnes Creek C. Is. of Wt.. I think B or C and now I am leaning toward Lawnes Creek. Next Querrstion Is he a brother or a cousin of Joseph.
   Joseph and Benjamin stayed awhile and formd a colony of Rogers in New Gates Co.NC.

   Is it possible that John Rogers had a wife and children before Mary?.

   RS

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 14, 2013 at 5:25 am

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   • I added some new info to the end of the main thread above concerning the sons of Richard Rogers…

     I have yet to see any ties to the Joseph Rogers of “Lawnes Creek” to your clan. He was a “tanner”, dealt with indians, employed an “old” shoemaker at one point… he quite possibly was not related???

     I suspect your guys simply made a clean break from Surry County in 1681 and moved the kit and kabuddle to Nansemond.
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     This guy is still a mystery…

     Bk 3 pg 59–7 Jul 1674–John Rodgers, being an old impotent man upon his petition is discharged from paying public levys

     Did you find anything at Richmond relating to a death about this time??? I’ve seen mentions of 1685 but have not found a record. This guy could be the missing link to whether or not Richard and John Rogers were brothers??? (and perhaps the short-term Daniel of the 1666 patent).

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     anderson1951

     June 15, 2013 at 6:02 am

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8. I hurredly read though my notes last night: YOu have added a part that HELPS. John Rogers and Richard Hide are mentioned at least 2 maybe three times together in the titheables of Surry. Same household. My thought earlier this week was this is not mine.
   Richard Rogers had a John Rogers. My conclusion was: this is John Rogers who married Mary Rivers. Mary’s husband died… record says either 1695 / 1697. This helps in identifying at least one John that remains in Surry Southwarke after John I and II depart. I do not understand any court cases that linger after 1682

   The abt 1685 death was a calculated guess before me. Maybe in the good Dunston Family tree of the South.
   I only thought it was a reasonable guess.

   I thought that you had recommended that John Rogers (father in the Howell patent died sometime between 1686- 1703. Now 1700-03. As you say the more we push the deaqth date to 1702/3 the less plauseable he is the same fellow. You have picked the loophole that I was concerned about. I do like your unbiased approach. RS

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 15, 2013 at 8:29 am

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   • Well I think we can now chisel in stone that John Rogers died between 1700-1703. The Godwin patent is the necessary proof. Combined with the statement in the 1700 patent where John “Jr” obtained his land and it states “a line tree of William Howell patent now in the possession of his father John Rogers Senr”… so the old man was alive in 1700… dead by 1703.

     3 sons are proven by those deeds… John Jr, Thomas and William. A little more digging into the Surry County records may shed light on the goings on of the William… but I think it is likely he moved with his father to Nansemond in 1681 or so.

     If you back up to the Surry records and assume that your Rogers left about 1681 then make the case for all the Surry Rogers to be sons of Richard Rogers. Prove who your people are NOT.

     Since it is known now that he died 1700ish then I think it reasonable to estimate he was perhaps 60 and likely born around 1640ish… perhaps mid 1640s… his patent was 1666 so he was perhaps 20 yrs in 1666. This works well with the 1659 mention of the Dicson/Dixon bequest of items at Dicson’s death. It offers the possibility Rogers was working/living with “Capt” Jordan. (all of which were in the right area of Surry Co… Any mention of a “Rogers” headright for Jordan would clinch the deal) John Rogers shows up with his first son in 1674… so if the son just turned 16, that would put his birth at 1658. That would push John Rogers (the father) birth at about 1637. All of which puts the kibosh on the immigrant theory of the “Burgess”. Your guy came from “parts unknown”.

     Still thinking out loud…

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     anderson1951

     June 15, 2013 at 10:06 am

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     • Can you tell me what part of North Carolina the John Rogers married to Bridget lived. I also have Richard Booth born about 1638 married to Elizabeth Unknown. Mary Booth Born about 1636 Married To John Rogers born About 1635 to the Parents of John Rogers married to Mary Atkins. Am I on the Right Tract. I also think that Elizabeth Booth born about 1635 was married to Thomas Mann B. about 1627. 3 siblings here.

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       see this map for the Kingsale area of Nansemond… this is where the Rogers were early on…

       https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/some-surryiow-patents/

       see here for early NC area…

       https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/roanoke-r-to-chowan-1863-civil-war-map/

       Some detailed Rogers tidbits here…

       https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/john-browne-of-kingsale-1639-1713-indian-trader/

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       Tom McFadden

       March 20, 2014 at 5:21 pm
   • You probably know this by now but here goes :

     RICHARD ROGERS b. est. bet. 1610- 1620 ( perhaps born in England and lived in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co. VA ). This RICHARD ROGERS b. 1610/20 died 1678 in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co. VA. His will follows :

     1678 –

     Wills and Administrations of SURRY COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1671 – 1750 ” by Eliza Timberlake Davis.

     Pg. 112.

     ” ROGERS, Richard : Leg . – To son, JOHN a neck of land that runs to ye Crick of one side and the Old Field in ye other, guided with the Mill Path, also a heifer and a gun. To son, RICHARD, ye Neck of Land yt runs from the Cod of ye Swampe to Barker’s path and see to ye ould road, also a heifer and a gun. To son, WILLIAM, ye Remainder of ye land that passes from ye ould rode to Barker’s cart path to the head of the Land, also a heifer. To JOHN and RICHARD beds, rugs, etc. To godson, RICHARD HIDE a cow at seventeen years. Sons not to lease or mortgage their land. Daughter, MARY, Bequest to wife, of the Plantation where I live, for her life. Wit : ABRAHAM HEATH, THOMAS MILTON, Made : 27 March, 1678. Prob.,: 7 May, 1678. Book 2, p. 174. ”

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     RICHARD ROGERS wife was GRACE Unknown and they had 4 known children who follow :

     1. JOHN ROGERS b. abt. 1626 who died in 1697 Surry Co. VA and had his sister MARY ROGERS Rivers and husband JOHN RIVERS as admr. of his estate :

     Wills and Administrations of SURRY COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1671 – 1750 ” by Eliza Timberlake Davis

     pg. 112

     ” ROGERS, John: Est. — JOHN RIVERS, and MARY RIVERS, admr. 4 May, 1697. Book 5, p. 138.

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     2. WILLIAM ROGERS b. abt. 1636 ; died before Sept. 02, 1701 Surry Co. VA. Married wife ELIZABETH UNKNOWN. So this WILLIAM ROGERS b. abt. 1636 who died abt. 1701 Surry Co. VA left his will too and it follows :

     ” Wills and Administrations of SURRY COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1671 – 1750 ” by Eliza Timberlake Davis

     pg. 112

     “ROGERS, William: Leg. — Mentions wife, and makes her Exerx. Mentions sister, MARY RIVERS, Nephew GRACE RIVERS; Nephew MARY RIVERS; Nephew, JOHN RIVERS. Wit : ROBERT NICHOLSON, GEORGE NICHOLSON, RICHARD FONES. Prob. : 2 Sept., 1701. Book 5, pg. 226. ”

     [ However we know this Wm. ROGERS son of RICHARD and GRACE ROGERS of Southwarke Parish, Surry Co. VA, is NOT our WLLIAM ROGERS b. abt. 1657 who d. 1727 Surry Co. VA and had at least 2 wives. Our WILLIAM’s first wife was UNKNOWN and they had a son WM. b. 1680 to them. Unknown First wife must have died as this same WILLIAM ROGERS b. 1657 married ELIZABETH CARTWRIGHT sometime about 1681 – 1685 and their first son is BENJAMIN ROGERS b. abt. 1687 Surry Co. VA whom I regard as my 6th G. Grandfather. Wm. and Elizabeth Cartwright had several children but their youngest son was yet another WM. ROGERS b. my est. abt. 1708 Surry Co. VA who d. 1778 Surry Co. VA and had wife MARY and 4 children named : NATHAN, JESSE, REUBEN, and ELIZABETH ROGERS. So WILLIAM ROGERS b. 1657 ; d. 1727 Surry Co. VA and 2nd wife ELIZABETH CARTWRIGHT had 9 known children per this WILLIAM ROGERS will written in 1724 Surry Co. VA and then probated in 1727 at his death. So by knowing the wills of all these ROGERS in Surry Co. VA and SUSSEX CO. VA we can figure out per a time line of their deeds, their parish records and the Vestry Tax Commissioners records just who they are . – Tina Rogers Beller ]

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     3. RICHARD ROGERS ( Jr. ) b. abt. 1650 had unknown wife and son named JOHN ROGERS b. abt. 1698.

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     4. MARY ROGERS b. abt. 1671; md. JOHN RIVERS before 1691 in Surry Co. VA ? My files show 5 children for MARY ROGERS and husband JOHN RIVERS who are :
     i. John Rivers b. abt. 1691 VA;
     ii. James Rivers b. abt. 1695 VA;
     iii. Grace Rivers b. abt. 1696 VA
     iv. Mary Rivers b. abt. 1697 VA
     v. Robert Rivers ( I ) b. abt. 1693 Prince George Co. VA ; d. abt. 1756 Dinwiddie Co. VA ; md. wife Hannah Unknown in about 1720 VA and had 6 children by her named : Robert ( II ) Rivers , John Rivers,
     Richard Rivers, Mary Rivers, William Rivers, and Thomas Rivers who are all listed having been born in Pr. Geo. Co. VA.

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     So it is plain per the wills and deeds in Surry Co. VA this is not the line of our JOHN ROGERS b. 1617 Surry co. VA who had wife MARY and several children who lived along Cypress Swamp in Surry Co. VA a bit east of where RICHARD ROGERS and wife GRACE and their 4 children lived in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co. VA.

     The deeds below explain more on the children of RICHARD ROGERS ( Sr. ) and wife GRACE of SOUTHWARKE PARISH, SURRY CO. VA :

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     ” SURRY COUNTY DEEDS 1684 – 1733 ” by William Lindsay Hopkins

     pg. 26 – Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. #4 1587 – 1694 :
     ” ( pg. 140 ) 17 Sep 1687 . . . Appreticeship of RICHARD ROGERS, orphan of RICHARD ROGERS, decd., to JOHN MORING until he shall come of age. ”
     ” Wit: WILLIAM EVANS and HUGH CAMPBELL. ” ” JOHN MORING ”

     Pg. 38 – Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. #4 1687 – 1694 :
     ” ( pg. 278 – repeat ) 13 Feb 1692 . . . JOHN ROGERS, son of RICHARD ROGERS late of Southwarke Parish, decd., to BENJAMIN HARRISON, merchant, for 3500 pounds tobacco. . . .. 100 acres that descended to JOHN ROGERS by the will of RICHARD ROGERS, decd., dated 27 Mar 1678. Land is on upper Chipoakes Creek at CABIN POINT. Land is bounded by Byrd’s Mill Dam. ”
     ” Wit: NATHANIEL ( X ) ROBERTS and NATHANIEL HARRISON. JOHN ( X ) ROGERS ”
     ” Rec: 11 Apr 1693 ”

     Pg. 59 – Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. #5 1694 – 1709 :
     ” ( p. 215 ) 5 Nov. 1700 . . . WILLIAM ROGERS, son of RICHARD ROGERS, decd., late of Southwarke Parish to WILLIAM EDWARDS, carpenter of the same for 2000 pounds tobacco. . . .100 acres near upper Chipoakes Creek ( land came to WILLIAM ROGERS by the will of his father dated 27 Mar 1678 ) bounded by the King’s Highway, Mr. WILLIAM COCKE, BENJAMIN HARRISON, Esq., the Seven Springs Branch and the Southern Run Swamp. ( ELIZABETH ROGERS, wife of WILLIAM ROGERS, relinquished her Right of Dower. ) ”
     ” Wit: WILLIAM GRAY, Jr. and WALTER LASHLEY. WILLIAM ( X ) ROGERS ”
     ” Rec; 5 Nov. 1700 ELIZABETH ( X ) ROGERS ”

     Pg. 75 – Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. #5 1694 – 1709 :
     ” ( p. 396 ) 5 Sep 1708 . . . . .. JOHN RIVERS, Yoeman of Prince George County, and wife, MARY RIVERS the daughter of RICHARD ROGERS, the Elder, decd., late of Surry County to BENJAMIN HARRISON, Esq. of Surry County. . . . 300 acres near upper Chipoakes Creek called Cabbin Point late in the posession of said RICHARD ROGERS, decd. ”
     ” Wit : HENRY HARRISON, WILLIAM HAMLIN and JOHN COOKE. JOHN ( X ) RIVERS”
     ” Rec: 2 Nov. 1708 MARY ( X ) RIVERS ”

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     Tina Rogers Beller

     June 7, 2020 at 3:39 pm

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     • I forgot to also mention that some researchers have listed JOHN ROGERS b. 1617 Wales or England was a Welshman, and per the records below the JOHN ROGERS, WELSHMAN who ran into the bay and was an indentured servant in 1677 is not our JOHN ROGERS who had gained his 200 acres of land on Cypress Swamp in Surry Co. VA in 1666 for transfer of 4 persons :

       THIS IS NOT OUR JOHN ROGERS of Cypress Swamp, Surry Co. VA who was an indentured servant in 1670 to JOHN GOREINGE of Surry Co. .VA and was later described as a WELSHMAN who ran away in the Bay, owing a debt. :

       pg. 94 – JOHN GOREINGE, 574 acs. Surry Co., Lawnes Cr. , Par., adj. The green swamp, along Mr. AWBORN’s line, & c; 8 Aug. 1670, p. 289. Trans. Of 11 pers. : JOHN TWYFORD, MARY ROW, ANN WESTON, ALISE FARLEY, JOHN MORSE, JOHN ROGERS, FRAN. TAYLOR, ELINOR BARRETT, said GOREING’s wife, JOHN TOMSON, WILL DUKE.

       1671- p.75 ” Surry Co. Records ” By Eliza Timberlake Davis :
       ” Page 404. 4 March 1671. JOHN ROGERS, a Welshman, has run away owing a debt. has run away in to the Bay, and ROBERT SHAW wants judgement for the debt. ”
       ” Wit: JAMES GORING ”

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       I might also add that there was another JOHN ROGERS and wife MARY HEWES of Accomack whose later descendants moved from VA up to DELAWARE and they too are my FFDNA MATCHES, but it could be through my maternal lines and not my ROGERS paternal lines as FFDNA MATCHES can be on either side of your maternal or paternal lines. – Tina Rogers Beller.

       Our JOHN ROGERS b. 1617 England/ or Wales who arrived in Virginia aboard ship George had these records in Surry Co. VA :

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       Per Tina Rogers Beller Files :
       1666 – 1688 Land records for JOHN ROGERS –

       Pg. 89 – JOHN ROGERS, 200 acs. Surry Co., 14 May 1666, p. 523, ( 641 ) . Beg. On S. side of Cyprus Sw. , S.S.W. along DANLL. REGANs land, N. W. over sd. Swamp, N.N.E. upon a Ready br. Issuing out of sd. Sw. & along same to the beg. Trans. Of 4 pers. : ELLINOR BRAY, RI. SHELLY, MARY ELDRIDGE, ELIZ. MORE.
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       ” Seventeenth Century ISLE of WIGHT COUNTY, VIRGINIA” By John Bennett Boddie :
       p. 593- ” Gov. Wm. Berkeley grants to JOHN RODGERS 200 acs. in Surry county along Daniel Regan’s land for trans. 4 pers. 14 May, 1666 JOHN RODGERS, Sr., of Surry County and wife MARY for 11,000 lbs tbco. sell to EDWARD GRANTHAM of I. of W. all right in above pat. 9 Dec. 1682. Chris Hester. ”
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       ALSO IN 1666, SURRY CO. VA. —
       NICHOLAS MERIWETHER is neighbor to JOHN ROGERS I.

       ” Early Virginia Families Along the James River — Their Deep Roots and Tangled Branches ”
       ” James City County — Surry County, Virginia ”
       Compiled by LOUISE PLEDGE HEATH FOLEY
       VOL. III

       pg. 90 –
       ” NICHOLAS MEREWETHER ( Merriweather ), 430 acs. SURRY CO., 14 May 1666, p. 536, ( 657 ) . Beg. on the S. Side of the Pigeon Sw., thence S. S. E. & c. to the greate Cyprus Sw. , & c. Trans. of 9 pers: JNO. ALSOP, Wm. MEREDETH, HANAH DUE, ARTHUR COSSUM, Wm. WILDY, JNO. WRIGHT, HENRY MEARES, EDWD. IVESON, HANAH BOYCE. ” ( Patent Book 5 ) ( this land is next to JOHN ROGERS I of Surry Co. VA along Cypress Swamp ).

       ( Also living along Cypress Swamp and next to NICHOLAS MERIWETHER is JOHN ROGERS b. 1617 England / Wales who had arrived on ship, “George” in 1635 with a THOMAS ROGERS, and others including Humphrey Higginson who later had indentured a THOMAS ROGERS in 1637. The files on this John Rogers listed following : ” Source: Hotten, John Camden, Edited by, OUR EARLY EMIGRANT ANCESTORS-THE ORIGINAL LISTS OF PERSONS OF QUALITY, Baltimore, Maryland; Baltimore Genealogical Publishing Co. , 1962. p. 125 – John ROGERS sailed on the “George” on August 21, 1635 from Gravesend to Virginia.” )
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       SOUTHSIDE VIRGINIA FAMILIES by John Bennett Boddie, Vol. II

       pg. 357 :
       “Besides the family of JOHN ROGERS . . .there were two other ROGERS families living in Surry County in the latter half of the 17th Century. One was that of JOSEPH ROGERS of Lawnes Creek Parish, who disappears from the records toward the end of the century and apparently left no issue. The other was that of RICHARD ROGERS of Southwark Parish, who lived at Cabin Point, near the Charles City line. RICHARD ROGERS died in 1678, his will dated MARCH 27, 1678 and probated in Surry MAY 7, 1678, mentions his sons JOHN, RICHARD and WILLIAM, and his daughter MARY. His widow, Mrs. GRACE ROGERS, was granted probate on his estate JUNE 22, 1678. The daughter MARY ROGERS married JOHN RIVERS, and they made the inventory and were appointed administrators of JOHN ROGERS in 1697 ( D. & W. 1693 – 1709, pp. 138, 140 ). WILLIAM ROGERS, son of RICHARD ROGERS, died in Surry in 1701. His will, dated FEB. 1700, and probated SEPT. 2, 1701, mentions his wife ELIZABETH, sister MARY RIVERS, and “nephews” Grace, Mary and John Rivers ( id. pp. 215, 225 ). As RICHARD ROGERS, son of RICHARD does not appear in the records, it would seem that this family died out in the male line. ”

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       Again this is our JOHN ROGERS and an ATKINS who lived on same land owned by JOHN ROGERS but wives were never listed in the tithables unless they lived in a separate household from the husband or land owner. Thus ATKINS is probably someone who leased a house on the property owned by JOHN ROGERS.

       1668 -LIST of SURRY COUNTY TITHABLES ( male or female head of households ) taken 10 June 1668 showed :

       “Joh. ROGERS & ATKINS 2 ”

       RICHARD ROGERS 2 ( would be the one who later died in 1678 Southwarke Parish, Surry Co. VA )

       ( most likely male JOH. ROGERS & head of household ; and male or female ATKINS, head of household living on same land as JOHN ROGERS )

       Alphabetical List of Surry County Tithables taken 10 June 1668
       in Southwarke Parish
       from Surry County Deed Book 1652-1672, p. 316
       compiled by Eve Gregory

       Joh. ROGERS & Atkins 2
       Richard ROGERS 2
       ______________

       Later Tithables of Surry Co. VA are below :

       1673 – 1678 –

       Surry Co. Tithables record his family as follows:

       1673 JOHN ROGERS 1
       1674 JOHN ROGERS & Son
       1675 JOHN ROGERS & Son
       1676 no list, due to Bacon’s Rebellion

       1677 – ( per files by Maurice Rogers who says this : ” In Sept. 1677 JOHN ROGERS Sr. served on the Surry Co. jury for trials in Bacon’s Rebellion cases, including those of another younger John Rogers and his father Joseph Rogers (of a different family). ”

       1677 JOHN ROGERS & *WILLIAM John his sons,

       1678 JOHN ROGERS & John & Daniel his sons,
       *WILLIAM ROGERS (#2048) at ye widow Owens,

       ( Widow Owens is probably JANE OWEN whose husband BARTHOLOMEW OWENS had died in 1676 on Grays Cr., Southwarke Parish, Surry Co. VA. JANE OWEN then married THOMAS BROOKS and had son THOMAS BROOKS Jr. born in 1680 so the BROOKS family researchers pointed out that JANE OWEN BROOKS is not the wife of WILLIAM ROGERS ( son of JOHN ROGERS b. 1617 ) as she was already married to THOMAS BROOKS Sr. Thus WILLIAM ROGERS on the tithable with Widow Owen may have just
       been living in her household then. – Tina Rogers Beller )

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       Tina Rogers Beller

       June 8, 2020 at 5:05 am
9. Need time to think this over still tired from the trip and I am busy. Not a time to quickly reply.

   RS

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   Benjamin Rogers Smith

   June 15, 2013 at 4:40 pm

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10. I have sent a report to my Rogers researchers about my find in Northampton area central part of Meherrin Neck. This helps prove my old work that names Jonathan Rogers a part of the john roers dewscendancy.
    I had foudna Daniel Rogers in the abstracts about three times.

    I then list names of folks from Surry, particularly who were (or their kin) in the surry Titheables. Quite a list
    These abstracts are primarily about 1755-61.

    Richard, John, and Bartholomew,Figures,Judkins, Maget(Maggett) Baggett, Holt, Benn(Binn) Chs. Skinner, Battle (Bittle), MYRICK, NEWITT(1st name)Drew(last), Ruffin, Little, Washington, John Dew(Due)……amazing Al;so
    Gardner, HollimanHollyman………………..a lesser number from Is of wight Brown, Dardin, Vann, Thomas,
    Bryant?

    The Myricks were still there iin the C. War.

    Rogers

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    June 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm

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11. I will say John Rogers, the one who appears to have been an orphan, was always in trouble per
    Surry Co, VA court records, like the worst offender in the county. I can’t recall exactly what for, but, he didn’t care much for authority. Also, Owen Myrick, the one who fought in Bacon’s Rebellion in Surry Co, VA and ransacked Francis Mason’s house during the Rebellion along with Thomas Gibson/Gibbons was another one, after Bacon’s Rebellion, who was in a bit of trouble. Probably, because the guys in authority were the ones who were ransacked by these rebels, like Myrick/Mirick, several name variants, and were gunning for these rebels for years after the Rebellion. I did notice that in the post 1677 court records, the rebels were constantly in court for some trouble or another. Thomas Gibson/Gibbons managed to stay out of trouble except when he was ordered by the court in 1681 to return Proctor’s cow. (It was practice, at least in old New England you kept the errant cow.) Oh, and he was taken into the sheriff’s custody in the mid 1680’s but I couldn’t decipher why, something about “seven.” Mirick, I think, was to, in an unrelated incident, after the Rebellion. Anyway, my family made up for lost bad behavior as time moved on, however.

    Also, Marc,maybe you have a comment on the following: I found loads of judgments (like lawsuits) filed by Thos. Gibbons/Gibson, the plaintiff, against big players, big planters, literate men, like William Edwards and Nicholas Meriwhether or it could have been Marriott. I counted something like 22 of them over a ten to fifteen year period filed by Thos. and he was awarded the judgments by the court in tobacco casks, of course, as that was the common currency. But, why did so many people owe him money, like the Swans, Edwards, etc.? What was Thos. doing, supplying them with some kind of good, or service, like tobacco casks, in large measure? Was he a miller? I am sure he was some kind of Indian translator and probably trader/planter. I know his son, Gibson Gibson, when he died, left his cooper’s tools and carpentry tools to Isaac Browne, his son in law, but Gibson (Gibey) Gibson was apprenticed/indentured at a young age by his mom Elizabeth Chavis (I am quite sure indeed the boy was illegitimate) to a Barber and a Mercer, surnames and later left with an Austin. I wonder if Thos. was supplying casks or gunsmithing services or such,but, a lot of wealthy people owed him money and maybe he ran a general store or simply was Indian trading with them and filed the judgments to be paid. Any ideas on why so many judgments? Joan Gibson

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    Joan Gibson

    March 20, 2014 at 9:13 pm

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    • I know the Joseph Rogers who lived closer to Lawnes Creek was a tanner and was noted for consorting with Indians (source for his hides obviously…makes business sense).

      I get the impression these guys would sue at the drop of a hat… it may have been sport for them. Ha! Perhaps it was a way to relieve the boredom and collect a debt at the same time (smiling).

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      anderson1951

      March 21, 2014 at 3:08 am

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12. Rogers a tanner? Makes a lot of sense. I did see him, though, it may have been a John Rogers, (you know the clerks used abbreviations for first names, like Jno or Jo, so, Joseph? No, I think it was a John Rogers) that was associated with Thomas Gibson/Gibbons. Thos. I believe had several judgments against John/Joseph and it would appear possibly they did a lot of business together. Just speculating, but, the names are together in court documents in the 1680’s frequently enough. Surry County, VA Court Records, 1671-1691. Also, from what I recall this same Rogers guy may have been publicly whipped more than once. I just remember thinking, wow, this guy really took a lot of heat for something. Not too many people in Surry Co, Va court records were called up for bad behavior. There was the occasional drunk, the loud-mouthed woman, the adultery cases (when folks were caught), pretty run of the mill stuff, but, I haven’t looked at ALL of those court records as they are like 1000 pages but the index/table of contents put together by the DAR in the 1930’s as they photographed the original records for microfiche processing are pretty clear and pretty accurate and list what the record concerns, generally, God bless them. And, Timberlake Davis’ records’ transcription of Surry Co, VA cover just the wills, deeds from the 1630’s until I think the early 1680’s or so (not court records which are a separate book, separate microfiche reel) and she left out huge amounts of info, Marc. So, beware. Much of what she actually transcribed was in itself accurate and I was simultaneously viewing the actual records on microfiche while I used her book, infront of me, as a guide and I was shocked by lots of missing info on her part and concerned how many genealogists over the last 60 years have been led astray due to this. Who would ever know? Who is crazy enough to spend two winters sitting in the Bangor, Maine public library squinting through 17th century Surry Co,VA records on microfiche and I photocopied lots of those records, too, while there. We Gibsons got the short end of the stick in her book. Just one of several “I left out the Gibsons,” example was she left out George Gibson as George Burcher’s 1656 testee on Burcher’s land repatent and this is major info as it shows a longstanding relationship between the two men as probably neighbors and Burcher was an original colonist, but, Gibson apparently wasn’t and seems to have been born in the Colony around 1610 – no transport records on him and also the Jane Gibson, the Elder, Indian woman, who clearly seems to be his kid, largely mulatoo at the time of her birth in about 1640, makes it seem to me that George Gibson was half Indian and his wife may have been a full blooded one. And, since the black folk didn’t show up until 1619 in VA, Jane’s parents in all probability were not of African descent, but, of much Indian descent. So, how do you, as George Gibson, born about 1610, or as late as 1620 end up half Indian and half white with the last name of Gibson? And, to boot, the family is of Pamunkey descent and loaded with carpenters and coopers, and Indian traders and Indian fighters and planters and farmers. So, what fellow from England named Gibson was in the Jamestown area early enough, associated with the Pamunkeys, and around to father George Gibson of Charles City Co, VA and may have been a carpenter, cooper, or shipwright? There was only one. Thomas Gibson of the 1608 Second Supply to Jamestown. And, one of his shipmates was a John Collins. Is this the same John Collins we find with patented land in Surry Co, VA in the mid 1600’s? And, the Thomas Gibson of the 1608 Second Supply was a gentleman, as were just about the entire ship, per Smith’s writings, and Smith was just disgusted over it as he wanted hardened soldiers. But, Thomas was a soldier, a sailor, and an artisan, per Smith, and that is saying a great deal about Thomas. He may have been a guild member in England, and may have grown up in a port city, which wasn’t hard in England. And, he was a gentleman, so he came from some kind of prominent family. I have the one and only Gibson “prominent” family tracked back into England and have been trying to get Y-DNA samples on them for years (Goldingstone Gibsons), but, only with the caveat they can show family bloodline relationship to Lord Alexander Gibson’s sibling, Thomas Gibson whom I believe is the same fellow of the Second Supply. Somewhere there are parish records and family genealogies recorded from like 1550-1650, but the Brits charge for anything genealogical and rarely answer my emails. They hate US genealogists. I just don’t get it, at all. Joan

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    Joan Gibson

    March 21, 2014 at 9:44 am

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13. My spouse DNA shows close link to ROGERS surname. He is a DAVIS from generations in Nash/Edgecombe County NC. He also has DNA related in further links to PHILLIPS surname (Group 40 in FTDNA Phillips project). Possibly in Loudoun VA along with surname BURSON. There is huge docs for Davis-Rogers-Phillips in Southampton VA, & Northampton NC. The one link with Rogers surname is in Australia who had 3rd generation in Ohio. My spouse is also in FTDNA project L513 which identifies him with Welsh ancestry (under Haplogroup R-M269 Haplogroup). Mike Walsh is the R1b-L513 admin & Nancy Kiser is Phillips co-admin. Group 40 Phillips is unrelated to “known” Phillips group. The aging on GedMatch indicates Rogers in closer match. There maybe two NPEs (non-paternal event) from Phillips to Rogers then Rogers to Davis. One example of a NPE is a widow marrying again & her children taking on that non-biological surname). Trying to figure this out, but as this page proves, some paths make income tax reading seem tame.

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    Angela Davis

    December 9, 2017 at 11:51 am

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14. Group 40 Phillips is unrelated to known Phillips group…in Nash County NC.

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    Angela Davis

    December 9, 2017 at 11:57 am

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15. Daniel Thomas Davis Sr 1898-1974 — Henry Albert “Bert” Davis JR 1845-1919 — Henry Albert Davis Sr be 1817-dc1875 — Berry Henry Davis bc1787-dc1881 (son of John Davis probably).

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    Angela Davis

    December 9, 2017 at 12:07 pm

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16. These maps are important and extraordinary.

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    Mrs Stoddard

    May 1, 2019 at 4:41 pm

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    • Thank you Mrs Stoddard… and I agree completely. I have found John Browne the Indian Trader- which would have been impossible without them.

      I think mapping is the “next level” of genealogy… unfortunately there is no money in it… hence the possibilities are unexplored.

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      anderson1951

      May 4, 2019 at 1:43 am

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17. Rogers was a name later used by the Nansemond, Meherrin, and Tuscarora Indians. Celia Rogers was on the sale of the Nansemond Reservation in 1786. “Capt Rogers a Maherrin Indian” was living near Lewis Williams in the 1720s. John Rogers was on the Tuscarora Indian Woods deeds in Bertie County. And, speaking of Hicks, James, Sarah, and John Hicks were all listed as Tuscarora in the 1770s in Bertie County.

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