Archive for January 2014
The Great Pistol Caper of 1735…
I have a Page on Robert Anderson… he lived and reared a family around the Cashy River area of what is today Martin County…
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/lost.htm
I’m curious if this John McDaniel was from the McDaniels of the Halifax County clan or the Chowan / Prequimans County clan? Or possibly just some rougue that wandered down to my beloved South. One incriminating mention is that McDaniel was a “carpenter” (yeah right) in said county (Chowan)… so that may be the culprit clan?
The dirty rotten lowlife scoundrel absconded with Anderson’s two pistols, sold them in New freaking York of all places and DID NOT pay the man!
Unconscionable! The jury found for Anderson… and rightly so I might add; plus they added about 8 pounds extra damages (money) just for good measure.
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I might check into any possible doings and goings on of a John McDaniel around Chowan in 1736… might turn up some foul smells… might not, who knows? If Holmes gets wind of this he will be pissed…
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All joking around aside… I find this account interesting because it has a NC guy (John McDaniel) traveling to New York in 1735 ( to sell the pistols). Robert Anderson lived near “Cashy Town” at the time… which seems to have been a bustling little trading town from what I have read. The Cashy River emptied into the Roanoke which emptied into Albermarle Sound. Likewise there was Pasquotank County which would provide an outlet directly into Albermarle Sound which would provide access for a small ship to sail to New York. It is my understanding that the Cashy River was capable of handling some fairly good sized trading ships of the period.
My big question is where did the John McDaniel come from? There were known McDaniels in Pasquotank… and likely a “John” McDaniel. The Daniel McDaniel that I have chronicled does not seem to leave a son “John” that I have found for this 1735 time period.
I suppose my greatest interest is that a John Anderson seems to have married the widow of Daniel McDaniel sometime after his death in 1733. Robert Anderson had a son John. I have not established the identity of who married the widow of McDaniel. So… the question is… is there a connection here with this Pistol Caper fiasco?
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A bit more digging around and I find this mention…
http://files.usgwarchives.net/nc/bertie/deeds/cattle.txt
Bertie COUNTY NC Deeds Cattle Markings 1722-1741 Page 17 1730- John Melton 1730- Richard Moore 1730- William Peek 1730- Mary Sharp 1730- Sarah Sharp 1730- Ann Jenkins 1730- James Jenkins 1730- Joseph Winn 1730- Capt. John Speers- Plantation on North side Fishing Creek 1730- Frans. Parker 1730- Benton Moore 1730-Anthony Williams 1730-William Bennett 1730-Thomas Hansford Page 18 no dates --? Williams John MacDaniel Joseph White Samuel Ratcliff Elizabeth Keefe Margaret Stephenson Henry Baker Elizabeth Walker John Walker Thomas Evans, Jr. Jereme Swain Keshiah Swain Thomas Hansford Page 19 John Adderly John Harison Jonathan Jaycocks Lazurus Thomas 1730- Henry Wise 1730-Christian Hamond 1730-Joseph Harrell 1730-John Harrell 1730-John Thomas 1730-John Gilbert 1730-Thomas Pace So it seems there was a John McDaniel in Bertie County about 1730... apparently in the vicinity of Cashy Town. Who was he?
“MackDaniel, John, Bertie, Feb 26, 1729, leg. John and Mary Myhand. John Gray, executor. Test: John Harris, Ann Myhand, Henry Walker. (Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol. I, Contents – July, 1900, Page 344 Abstracts of Wills (Executed and Probated prior to 1760. Compiled from the originals in the Office of the Secretary of State in Raleigh, NC))
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Ordered that John MackDaniel [McDaniel] be and he is hereby appointed
guardian to Matthew Carter, Joseph Carter and Rachel Carter, orphans of Joseph Carter, dec’d and that he give security in the sum of 100 L that he will pay to the s’d orphans
Respectively as they shall come of age such share or part according to the above division made as appears to belong to them.
and accordingly the said John Mack Daniel as principal the sum of 50 L and Edw’d Marshburn in the sum of 25 L, F. Parker in the sum of 25L —
—- Mr. Marshburn, Dis ?
(Bertie minutes…Aug 1730 Term (estimated date)
James Anderson merchant, Tarr Burrow… sometime after 1754…
For years I suspected this guy might be the same James Anderson of Occonechee Swamp (modern Halifax County) ca. 1716…discussed elsewhere… now I am simply stumped! I have no idea who he is?
This old, time ravaged scrap of paper debunks that theory (I think?)… oh well, regroup… rethink… move on.
“North Carolina Edgecombe County. To His Excellency Arthur Dobbs, Esq Capt General Governor and Commander in Cheafe in and over Province afsd; and To His Majcstys Honorable Council: Mr. Speaker and Gentlemen of the house of Burgises.
“The petition of the Inspectors and Marchants of the town of Tarr Burrow in the ‘county afsd whose names are underwritten Humbly Shew- eth that the Salary that is by law allowed to each Inspector is not a Suffient Sum for thar troble and featage as they are at and thare Fore We Humbly Pray that the Salary may be In- larged so as to Put us on an Equality with the Inspectors at the town of Halifax and We your petitioners as in Duty Bound shall ever pray etc.
Thos. Spell
Peter Mitchell
James Anderson
Robert Bignall
Aquila Sugg,
John Watson,
Edw. Telfair
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Traci searched for this document in Raleigh months ago and it appeared to be lost…. I found this online purely by accident. On the back is “Dobbs 1814” so it may be misplaced in that county?
The document is undated… Governor Arthur Dobbs did not assume office until 1754… so it was after that date.
All the signatures are in different hands so it appears James Anderson was literate and signed his own signature. I have been curious about that since I’ve thought it possible that the James who first patented land in Occoneechee Neck in 1716 might possibly be this guy later on in life. This pretty much crushes that theory… but now we know… With all the records I find for this James he must have lived behind the tavern in a horse stall.
Not only was he literate but he had a “practiced” hand, in my opinion, look at his capital “A”… the thing is stylized… almost pretty… the flourish on the “n”… the fancy little underline… downright snazzy penmanship… not sure what that means but it is a bit unusual for scruffy, unrefined North Carolinians… The long “s” in Anderson… wow, that is classic… I’m impressed. That lettering looks almost Virginian. Now some of those fancy pants could write!
I’m beating this dead horse to convince myself that the 1716 James did not just miraculously “teach himself to write” between say, 1727 and 1754ish… the “merchant’s” written signature is just too polished in my opinion… he was “schooled” early on…
James is not quite as fancy as Edward Telfair but that guy went on to be Governor of Georgia later on… seemed to be a bit full of himself in this instance and couldn’t quite figure out when to stop with all the curly ques once he got started… typical of governors even nowadays… all style and little substance.
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William Anderson d.1789 had a survey done in 1752… one of the chain carriers was a James Anderson. The other CC was Arthur Anderson of whom I have no clue whatsoever… in fact that is the only reference I have ever seen for that name in Edgecombe for this time period. William did not begin his family until early 1750s so this James Anderson cannot be a son.
Who was this 1754 James Anderson?
What happened to the 1716 James Anderson?
a note on my maps…
I’ve been plastering this little snippet of my Surry/IOW map on pages a lot lately… aside from the Historical aspect, it shows a bit of technical wizardry…note the green area that is highlighted:
I grab the original Patent info from the Library of Virginia and redraw it into a “Jig Saw piece”… you can’t twist it or turn it… it either fits with a neighbor or it doesn’t… period. You just can’t “force” it to fit. I just marvel at how tight this little section is.
The majority of these surveys “close”… which is a testament in itself to the old guys and their hard work and accuracy.
John Joyner married Elizabeth Brown?
… a 1998 post on the web… unanswered…
Solomon JOYNER of Edgecombe Precinct, John JOYNER and Elizabeth JOYNER of Isle of Wight Co., VA convey land to WILLIAM BROWN 1713 patent in Bertie Precinct ( Bertie DBF/344) 1740. Wish to identify this William Brown and his relationship to Elizabeth Joyner who is said to be a Brown.
Also, who had the 1713 patent ? What was that persons relationship to Elizabeth Joyner ? Any help will be appreciated.
My theory is that Elizabeth Browne was the daughter of John Browne b.1639, d.1713 (aka, the Indian Trader). It is likely that she was a child of a second wife… which is the only explanation I have for her dying perhaps 20+ years after her brothers William (d1718) and Thomas Browne (d1719).
John Browne
…… John Browne m. Mary? ______
…… William Browne m. Martha Braswell
…… Thomas Browne m. Christian Howell (of the Nansemond Howells)
…… Elizabeth Browne m1 William Boon, m2 John Joyner
My goto website for Joyner info is here:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=sharpefamily&id=I3329
Notes from Helen Sharpe
Bertie Co., NC DB-F, p. 344…Solomon Joyner of Edgecombe Co., NC, and John Joyner and wife Elizabeth of Isle of Wight Co., VA, to Joseph Witherington of Surry Co., VA 1741…A patent granted John Brown for 256 acres, 28 July, 1713.
Bertie Co., NC, DB-F, p. 344…Solomon Joyner of Edgecombe Co., NC, John Joyner and Elizabeth Joyner of Isle of Wight Co., VA, convey land to William Brown 1713 patent in Bertie Precinct, 1740.
I think the John and William are her brothers… uncles… *******(read the notes below with the idea I now think she was the daughter of John Browne JUNIOR**********
Virginia Patents 10-423, dated 11 July 1719: John Joyner IOW 350 acres on the south side of the Main Blackwater Swamp. Beg & c. on the north side of a small branch a line tree and Richard Vicks land. Note: See IOW GB-669 and IOW DB 5-362 for disposal of land.
IOW GR-669, dated 3 Feb 1723: John Joyner to Joshua Joyner <would be his brother>….25 acres in the lower parish on south side of Blackwater adjoining said Joshua Joyner (being part of a patent granted said John Joyner on 7 July 1719. Signed John Joyner Wit: Jinry (x) Summerell, Nathaniel (x) Jones and Thomas Lewis.
IOW DB 5-214, dated 17 Feb 1737: William Briant (Bryant) of North Carolina, to John Joyner of Isle of Wight, for 1 pound 10 shillings and for divers other good causes, 200 acres in Isle of Wight on the south side of Blackwater (swamp), bounded by the mouth of the Bull poquoson (pocoson) branch, said John Joyner, the main branch. the land was patented to Bridgman Joyner on 16 Nov 1714. Signed William Bryant, Sarah Bryan. Wit: Nathan (I) Joyner, Abram (A his mark) Johnson, William (W his mark) Bradshaw. R. 27 Feb 1737. Note: See below for disposal of this land to Elizabeth Joyner
IOW DB 5-362, dated 10 Aug 1739: John Joyner of Isle of Wight, to Bridgman Joyner <would be his brother> of IOW, for 20 pound 10 shillings and for divers other good causes about 325 acres in Isle of Wight on the south side of Blackwater (swamp), bounded by Joshua Joyner, Arnald Pews. the land is part of a patent of land granted to John Joyner on 7 July 1719. Signed John Joyner Wit: John Dunkley, Richard Blow, Jr. r. 24 Sept 1739. Note: other 25 acres sold to brother Joshua.
IOW DB 5-525, dated 22 Sep 1740: John Joyner of Isle of Wight and Newport parish, to Thomas Brewer of Nansemond County and Parish of Suffolk, for 20 pounds, all that tract of land which Bridgman Joyner, father of the said John Joyner, bought of Barnaby McKinney out of a patent of said McKenny?s granted by Alexander Spotswood, VA Lieut Governor, on 23 Dec 1714, bounded by the head of a little Bridge branch on Mathew Griffin?s line, the main Black Cr., the old road, a line of marked trees which parts the said Joyner and Samuel Johnson, the Mill pond, the Main Road and containing about 100 acres. Signed – John Joyner –Wit: John Monro, John Summerrell, Edmond Godwin. R. 22 Sep 1740
IOW DB 5-534, dated 22 Sep 1740: I, John Joyner of Isle of Wight, for the love that I have for my loving friend, Elizabeth Joyner of Isle of Wight, have given Elizabeth Joyner, one certain piece of land in IOWon the south side of Black Water (Swamp), bounded by the mouth of the Bull Pocosen (pocoson) branch, the head of the Mapole branch, containing about 200 acres, it being part of a parcel of land granted to Bridgeman Joyner in a patent dated 1714. Signed John Joyner. Wit: Bridgman Joyner (brother), and Jos: Jones. recorded 22 Sep 1740
That is perplexing… what is the “my loving friend” bit about? This cannot be his mother… could this be a stepson?
IOW WB 1-163: John Joyner, dated 2 Sept 1748. R. 9 March 1748: …of Nottoway Parish. Leg. son Solomon; daughter Elizabeth Lott; daughter Martha Clark; daughter Ester Beal. Ex., son Absalom. Wit: Chaplain Williams, Henry Crafford, William Grizard. <no mention of a son Joshua>
Could the father John Joyner have died intestate with no mention and this is the son in 1748?
IOW WB 5-187: John Joyner: Estate appraised by Henry Dawson, Joshua Dawson, James Turner. Signed Absalom Joyner R. 1 June 1749.
Note the cozy neighborliness of all the folks on this map….
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And just to confuse matters … there were some Joyners further north of here near Seacock Swamp and Round Hill Swamp.
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The accounts below are near the modern town of Halifax, NC…
(My point is to eliminate a rival Elizabeth Joyner)
James Milliken m. daughter of Joseph Joyner
(from Helen Sharpe notes)
Bertie Co. Records:
BC C-91, dated 3 March 1728/29. James Millikin & Henry Gustin to Barnabe Mackinnie…15 pounds for 150 acres , part of 640 acres patent to Willliam Brown 1 April 1713. This 150 acres sold by Gideon Gibson and wife, Mary, to Millikin & Gustin. Commonly called ?Walnut Forte Survey: adj. Joseph Joyner, William Brown. wit: Thomas Craghill, William Dewitt (?). May Court 1729. Robert Forster C/C
(This is without a doubt the William Browne I associate with the Indian Trader… his daughter married Gideon Gibson)
BC C-91, dated 5 March 1728: James Millikin & Henry Gustin to John Mckinnie…power of atty. to ack. deed of sale for 150 Acres on south side of Morrattuck River to Barnabe Mackinnie. Wit: Thomas Craghill, jurat, William Duett. May 13, 1729. Robert Forster C/C
BC C-245, dated 19 June 1730: Joseph Joyner, Jun. To James Millikin, merchangt…300 pounds for 230 acres on SS Roanoke River where Joseph Joyner did live. By two deeds of grant (1) 5 Aug 1723. Signed by Maj. Barnabe Mckinnie for 150 A. of land (2) dated 25 October 1723. Signed by John Brown and Mary Brown for 80 acres of land. Wit: John Green, Edmond Simmons, James Wilkeson, Mary Simmons. 11 Aug. 1730. Thomas Hansford D. C/C
Minutes of the General Court of North Carolina, North Carolina. General Court, July 28, 1727 – August 02, 1727
A presentment against John Brown for having left his Wife the daughter of Barnaby Mackennie and cohabits with another which he acknowledges to be his lawfull Wife both of the Sayd Women within this Government.
(My assumption is this is the son of William Browne… seems to be in a pickle… his sister with Gideon Gibson removed to South Carolina… and I find this which may be him?)
1746
Read the Petition of John Brown, planter shewing that the Petitoner had four persons in family for whom he has not received any lands pursuant to his Majesty’s Royal bounty, and as there is a tract of land containing 800 acres surveyed above 10 years ago for Gideon Gibson and at pres’t a Plat thereof in the Survey’r General’s Office, as appears by his certificate, and is vacant, by not being applied for in the time prescribed in the Gazette, the Pet’r herefore humbly prays that the Survey’r General be directed to Certify the said Plat for the use of the Petitoner, and in his name that it may be granted him accordingly. To which was annexed a certificate by Geor Hunter… that 200 acres of land was surveyed on the NE side of the Pedee River for Gideon Gibson on the 13th day of April 1736 in pursuant of a Warrant from Gov’r Johnson, dated March 6th, 1733, and that a Plat thereof was returned into the Survery’r General’s Office on the 18th day of June 1736 which has laid there ever since without any application made for y’e same tho advertized in the Gazette, August 5th 1743… the prayer was granted… Sorry… I do get sidetracked…
BC C-247, dated 8 Aug 1730: John Branch & wife Ann to James Millikin, merchant. 26 pds. for 160 acres on SS Morratock River ?bounded according to the ___of William Brown dec?d…? Wit: John Brooks, John Joyner, Thomas Jones. Aug. Court 1730.
BC C-248, dated 23 July 1730: John Bobbit to James Millikin…590 acres ?in the Low Grounds near Clerk?s Meadow….? Adj. William Boon. Wit: Thomas Bryant, Simon Jeffreys, Henry Guston.
Halifax Co., NC DB 1-187, dated15 Feb 1736: James Millikin to Margaret Millikin et al: to well-beloved wife Margaret, slaves and land and money to John Millikin, my son, land when he comes of age, slaves to James Millikin, my son, land under same restrictions as son John, slaves to daughter Agnes 2 negro girls and 1/6 part of household furniture etc. to daughter Elizabeth negroes and 1/6 part of my goods and chattels to daughter Ann slaves and 16 part of household goods At a court held for Edge. Prect. the 3rd Tuesday in May 1737. Thomas Kearney D. C. Ct.
(Elizabeth Joyner, his wife, must have died and he remarried Margaret______) This deed is in essence, a “will”… so he knew he was gravely ill in 1736…
Halifax Co. DB 1-189: a letter to his friends: ask friends Rev. Mr. John Boyd, Mr. Nathan Joyner my brother-in-law, Mr. Phillip Rayford, Mr. Joseph Lane, Robert Warren to manage affairs and look after his children Wit: James Thompson, Richard Grandson, John Wolford, Joseph Montgomery His Majesties Att?y General, John Hodgson, esquire, Joseph Anderson, Robert Foster At a court held for Edge. Prect. the – Tuesday in May 1737 T. Kearney C. C. Ct.
(again this deed is essentially a continuation of his will…in my opinion)
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wife Elizabeth Joyner (Sharpe notes)
Halifax Co. DB 1-228, dated 22 Nov 1737: The deposition of Major James Thompson of Edge. prect. the said Thompson sayeth that in Nov. 1731 he heard a dispute between Col James Millikin and Edward Simmons over a deed made to the said Millikin by Joseph Joyner his father-in-law Sworn this 22 Nov 1737 before me Barnaby McKinnie. Reg. (place not given) Feb. Ct. 1737. Thomas Kearney D. C. Ct.
Halifax Co. DB 1-229, dated 22 Nov 1737: The deposition of Nathan Joyner and Ann his wife: the said Nathan sayeth that at the time James Millikin late of Edge. Prect., esquire was married to Elizabeth Joyner, daughter of Joseph Joyner, he heard a dispute over a deed to be made to John the eldest son of the said Elizabeth and thought the deed had been made and Ann Joyner wife of the said Nathan sayeth she was present at the same time and hear the same words. Sworn this 22 Nov 1737 before me Barnaby MacKinnie Reg. (place not given) Feb. Ct. 1737. T. Kearney C. C. Ct.
Must have been a second marriage for Elizabeth to have a son John Joyner. Was she married to a Joyner?
(it seems to me Elizabeth may have had a bastard son before marrying James Millikin)
Halifax Co. DB 4-256, dated 19 May 1752: Paul Patrick and Agnes my wife of Edg. Co. to John Joyner (co. not identified) 19 May 1752. for the love and respect we bear unto our natural brother and for 5 shillings proclamation money 220 acres on the south side of Roanoke river, joining William Hurst and Benjamin Sherrod and is the land whereon one Joseph Joyner formerly lived and where Col. James Millikin last lived which land was granted to the said Millikin by the said Joyner 19 June 1730. Wit: John Pope, Fras. Byll. Haynes Reg. Edg. Co. May Ct. 1752. B. Wynns C. Ct. Note: Agnes is the daughter of James Millikin.
Halifax Co. DB 4-415: Paul Patrick and Agnes his wife of Edge. Co. to William Hurst of Edge. Co. 22 Feb 1753 20 pounds current money of Va. 220 acres in the fork of Conocanarah swamp as by patent to Joseph Joyner 1 Feb 1725 and by the sd. Joyner conveyed to James Millikin late of Edge. merchant 18 Oct 1733 Wit: William Kinchin, Jr. William Richmond Reg. Edg. Co. Feb Ct. 1753 B. Wynns C. Ct.
Halifax Co. DB 6-113, dated 10 Nov 1756: Wm Hurst to Wm Richmond……220 acres…as by patent to Joseph Joyner 1 Feb 1725 and by the sd. Joyner conveyed to James Millikin, late merchant which sd. land descended after the decease of James Millikin the elder to James Millikan the younger and by the decease of the sd. James the younger came unto Paul Patrick by right of his wife Agnes and Anna Millikin her sister who conveyed the land to Wm Hurst…….
My “evidence” for Elizabeth Browne first marrying William Boon is the will of William Browne of 1718 wherein he states “William Boon a brother“… since his wife Martha did not have a sister named Elizabeth the conclusion seems likely a sister of William Browne married Boon.
My “evidence” for John Joyner marrying Elizabeth Browne is the Deed “trails” which associate the various Brownes with this Elizabeth and John Joyner. There is no “smoking gun” proof however.
If you agree or disagree leave a comment… it will be interesting to see a poll.
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Further discussion of the Indian Trader here:
And William Boon here:
the Brasswell book…
The Ancestry of David Bracewell: Including the Allied Southern Families of Braswell, Brazil, Bay, Price, Passmore, Gage, Prillaman, and Allen (Google eBook)
This book is written by Carey Bracewell…. its an e-book you can download for 3 or 4 bucks…
My own research into George Anderson of Isle of Wight, Virginia first got me curious of the “Bracewell” characters who had property nearby… this started maybe 1999 or so… I would search the web and kept getting “hits” which were authored by this Carey Bracewell guy. He was relentless.
If you have any questions about the Brasswells in your own research… buy the book. My hat is tipped to Mr. Bracewell… if I want to reference a Brasswell in my own research I just consult his book… I trust it.
…for a chuckle… you can still probably “Google up” some of his very early web posts where he defended his theory (at the time) that several of the Brasswell descendants were “bastards” as we say… it all evolved into a grand dispute with ruffled feathers, semi outrage and some hand wringing…it wound up in the Great DNA Chase that is fashionable today. I found it all highly amusing. Carey was right and he proved it.
Boon researchers…. a map 1720-1730ish…
I’ll play this silly game that a Thomas Boon was in North Carolina in 1668… I have my doubts but, well, an abstract from 1754 SAYS THAT! I go with the flow…
So I mapped it… its what I do…
I also threw in James Anderson in 1716… I mean hell, this IS an Anderson blog…
Scroll to the bottom of the page if you are the impatient type…
Halifax Andersons… 1730s
Don’t I feel like a moron… I’ve had a breakthrough of a brick wall staring at me for a couple years now and simply did not make the connection.
The Halifax guys are all dead ends with no beginning or end … they are just THERE… no start, no finish… until now:
A William Anderson is clearly there in the deeds at least by 1732… then SHAZAM! … he dies. This is the stuff that actually allows for a little ACTUAL genealogy!
He obviously died intestate and leaves no paper trail other than the deed references but at least it leaves open the possibility that HE was a father of some of the other orphans we puzzle over.
He was right there in Halifax for at least 30 years.
Drinking had nothing to do with it….
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Did Daniel Duncan MURDER William Anderson?
Sorry… I just made that up to get some comments…
Daniel Duncan was running from the LAW in numerous COUNTIES!!!… counterfeiting was punishable by death… and he was a vile and despicable COUNTERFEITER!!!!
I didn’t make that up… he beat the rap but any sane person knows he was guilty…. ‘course I sometimes doubt my own sanity…
New Page added for Strickland & Boons of IOW & NC…
I’ve been meaning to do this for a while… this ties in Carolus and James Anderson… lots of frustrating circumstantial evidence
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So no sooner than I got started on theorizin’ an stuff about the BOONS I run across this SNAG….
This deed makes absolutely no sense to me… it must be a typo…
[6 Feb 1754] Nicholas Boon to John Braswell, both of Northampton for 41.1.6 pds VA, 490 acres in sd Co., part of a pat. granted to Mr. Thomas Boon, decd, May 1, 1668, beginning at the mouth of a branch known by the name of Know Bottom, so up the sd branch bending on George Seller’s line to ye head line of the patent so then bending on the sd patent line to the first station. Wit: Thomas Boon, Wm. Murfree. Ackd. February Court 1754. the typo can’t be 1768….
I mean… about the only folks in Northampton in 1668 were Indians and perhaps a few wayward Indian Traders… bears… deer… it was a wilderness.
Unless it was 1698… Virginia Law prohibited settling South of the Blackwater River… but North Carolina Law did not. So it seems “a” Thomas Boon may have settled that early? If the abstract is correct then this deed is remarkable!
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So I run this by my buddyette Traci the Librarian who plies her trade somewhere near Edgecombe County, NC… and she says…
“Yep, it was the back of beyond, but remember that the first known NC deed was 1661, so it’s totally possible. Hathaway’s Register Volume I cites John Varnham’s land grant of 1679, which was a re-issue “of one granted by William Berkley, Governor of Virginia, 25th September 1663.”
Not to say that Mr. Boon’s original patent survives. It probably doesn’t.
Right, the meaning of the wording is that the original patent was dated 1668 and that Thomas Boon is deceased as of this date (1754).”
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So…. for YEARS… I think all us researcher types were under the assumption that a Thomas Boon started out in Isle of Wight, Virginia and then made his way down to NC and sprouted numerous sons….
That deed makes it seem the “other way around”… that perhaps a NC Thomas Boon may have had a son Thomas who wandered UP to Virginia….
I’m on the case…. where the hell is Holmes? You have to take off your geanealogy cap and replace it with a historian cap to understand this… Boon, I suspect was just west of here:
http://andersonnc.com/?s=dammit
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Well Holmes sobered up and checked in with something of a report of some British castletrash… he says the Board of Trade of the Lords Proprieters had their panties all in a knot over some character named John Boone in 1685… sure enough he was in Carolina (exactly WHICH Carolina is up in the air… I suspect this is South Carolina near Charles Town)…
1685 Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies, Volume 12: 1685-1688
Sept. 9.
Whitehall.
363. Lords Proprietors of Carolina to Governor Joseph West. We understand that, notwithstanding our orders of 21 June 1672 and July 1683, Mr. Maurice Mathews and Mr. James Moore are chosen Councillors, in the room of Mr. Andrew Perceval and Mr. Bernard Skenking. Mr. Perceval has not been absent two years, and how Mr. Skenking has ceased to be of the Grand Council we know not. This choice, too, has been made, not by ballot (as provided in our fundamental Constitutions), but by open voice and by surprise, and when there was not the full proportion of members to sit in the House that Colleton County ought to have chosen. Mr. Maurice Mathews, one of the persons thus illegally chosen, and Mr. John Boone are admitted to be deputies, though not the eldest men in age of those chosen by the Commons. This illegal choice is not to be permitted, it being an encroachment on the people’s liberties of choice, nor can we suffer men who have, for disobedience, been dismissed from all civil and military employment to be thus irregularly and by a trick imposed upon us as deputies. You will therefore not permit Mathews nor Moore to sit in the Grand Council, but if there be a real vacancy therein, you will direct a new choice to be made by ballot when the vacancies of the members chosen for the two counties are by new writs filled up. Nor will you permit either Mathews or Boone to sit as deputies, the one being not legally chosen of the Grand Council and neither of them the eldest in age of those chosen by the Commons. We positively order that they be put out from being deputies, and that you appoint others in their room. And as inconvenience may arise through the absence of too many of the Grand Council of the Commons’ choice, the Governor will in future choose a person to supply the place of any member who has left the province, who shall sit and act as a member of the people’s choice until the return of the absent member. Many have hinted to us that there is great disorder in the debates of the Parliament and Grand Council, owing to the boisterous behaviour of some of the members. You must know that it is the method of Parliament that no member speak above once to the same matter, unless the House be turned into Grand Committee, and that every man is to speak in his time; of which the Speaker is the judge. In the Grand Council the Governor is to be judge. If two or more rise together, and if any man behave himself rudely and disorderly, and does not amend upon your first admonition, we would have you (unless he be one of our deputies) put the question by ballot to expel him the Council. If he be a deputy of ours you will report him to us. We sent you an Act against pirates, which we hope is passed. If not, let us know the reason, and who are the obstructors of it. Since writing the above, we hear that Mr. Skenking was put out of the Council for misdemeanour. If this was done by a vote by ballot, it is well; but if by vote by open voice you will restore him as not legally put out, and, if he be really guilty, the vote may be repeated by ballot. Complaint has been made to us that many new-comers have been undone by being put upon duty as soldiers, and compelled to contribute largely to other charges before they have been a year in the country or have been able to provide houses or clear land for the subsistence of their wives and families. This we think hard. Newcomers should be eased of military duties except in case of actual invasion. Signed, Craven, Shaftesbury, P. Colleton, S. Sothell, Tho. Amy. [Col. Entry Bk., Vol. XXII., pp. 64–66.]
364. Lords Proprietors of Carolina to Governor Joseph Moreton. We have been informed of irregular proceedings in the choice of members of the Grand Council (see preceding abstract), and have given our orders thereon, which you will see obeyed. You will dismiss Mathews and Boone, and appoint other deputies in their stead; and you will discharge them from all offices, civil and military, in the gift of the Governor or Palatine’s Court. If they persist in transporting Indians, you will indict them. We hear that Mr. Richard Morgan and Mr. William Brockhouse are men well qualified for the public service of Carolina. You are empowered to grant them land enough to make up their holdings to 500 acres. You will take all imaginable care that no pirates or privateers be received in Carolina. If any harbour them or trade with them you will try them according to the Act sent to you, if it be passed. If it be not passed, you will send us depositions, that they may be tried in some other place. You will take care that the Acts of Trade and Navigation are observed, remembering that they do not prohibit persons and provisions to be brought in English ships from Ireland or Scotland, provided they be of the growth of the kingdom where they are loaded. You will see that the penalty of a Governor for wilfully permitting vessels to infringe the Acts is a fine of 1,000l. Complaint has been made to us of ill men in Carolina who encourage seamen to call upon masters for their wages, and, if the masters cannot speedily procure the money, proceed to the condemning of the ship, which is sold for a song. This is a barbarous practice. You will moderate complaints between masters and seamen, so that no hardship fall on either, and you will report to us the names of the men who have encouraged the aforesaid practice. Signed, Craven, Shaftesbury, P. Colleton, S. Sothell. [Col. Entry Bk., Vol. XXII., pp. 67–68.]
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Hard to say if this Boone character is of the Right Stuff to wander off and hob nob with the local Indians… but he did seem to deal with Pirates… he had that much going for him… plus anyone that pissed off the castletrash was OK in my book…
March 1687
1,161. Lords Proprietors of Carolina to Governor James Colleton. We learn that a hundred and fifty-three Spaniards, Indians. and Mulattos have fallen upon the outskirts of our settlement, and burnt and plundered seven houses. We hear that the reason is that, notwithstanding the King’s commands and our repeated orders, the people of Carolina have received the pirates who have unjustly burned and robbed the houses of the Spaniards. Could any rational man doubt that the Spaniards would seek revenge, and would be justified in seeking it, if this be true? We have also been informed that a design was on foot in Carolina to take St. Augustine, which our Government was ready to countenance, being persuaded that they were justified by our clause permitting invaders to be pursued beyond the bounds of our province. But that clause means only a pursuit in heat of victory, not a granting of commissions and a deliberate invasion of the King of Spain’s dominions. You will cause this explanation to be recorded. If the Spaniards invade you, defend vourselves, and by a brisk pursuit of them in the present heat of victory, give them cause to repent their attack. If they or any other Christian nation injure you, let the proofs be transmitted to us, and we will apply to the King for reparation for damage done. But no rational man can suppose that the subjects of any prince can be permitted to make war upon any of his allies for the reparation of their private injuries, or for any other cause whatever, or that any such power was granted by our patent. We have received copy of an Act to levy and impress men and arms for the defence of the Government, in the preamble of which it is said that the Spaniards who invaded you were commissioned by the King of Spain. The name of so great a prince is thus mentioned on the information of a single mulatto, and without your having seen any such commission, or sent to St. Augustine or Havana to ascertain if the Governors knew anything of the invasion. We have reason to believe that the King of Spain knew nothing of it, and we dissent to the Act and to all Acts and Orders made with a view to war with Spain. We see by the Minutes of Council that there was evidence that Mr. John Boone had not only helped the pirates Chapman and Holloway with victuals, but had taken and concealed part of their stolen goods, for which he was rightly expelled the Grand Council. But we hear since that he is again chosen, and is sitting in the Grand Council. This must not be. Men convicted of such misdemeanours must not be chosen again and restored. You will put him out, and see that another is chosen in his place. We are sorry to see the proneness of the Parliament of Carolina to such proceedings, and hope that they will not occur again. Signed, Craven, Albemarle, Bath (for Lord Carteret), P. Colleton. [Col. Entry Bk., Vol. XXII., pp. 106, 107.]
I guess we will have to stew on this a while… Holmes just fell out of his chair again….
Thomas Mandue of IOW, VA and NC
I’ve started a Page on this guy… it has some frustrating hints to George Anderson who patented land in IOW in 1695 and then just vanishes in 1710. It all may be coincidence but hey, I’ll take any clues I can get. An interesting side thought is that Mandue gets his Patent in 1682… but there is a prior land deal in 1681 where he purchased another piece of land. My thought is that George Anderson may be in some earlier records. The problem is that on the Familysearch.org website they do not have that earlier record set… bummer… I am checking the site regularly for any additions.
I have a “house of cards” theory that George Anderson died prior to 1733 and left a widow Elizabeth Anderson who died 1733 in North Carolina (the mother of Carolus Anderson). All of whom may be connected to William Anderson who died 1789 in Edgecombe County, NC… or such is my theory. All unproven of course.
Which is basically what this whole blog is centered around. I just get side-tracked a LOT! But it is all good fun.
To Dr. Cary Anderson…
Sir:
As one olde phart researcher to another, realizing that with each passing moment that little tidbit of a deed reference- a long forgotten chain carrier- a drunken neighbor- bastard sons- harlots- you know… all the usual suspects… we each want to know who the culprits were that fathered our greatish grandpappys…
C’mon Ladies… you all know you were just “relicts” in the REAL scheme of things….
I’ve been spending my spare time lately delving into some utterly unrelated folks in Isle of Wight county Virginia and have seriously neglected our ANDERSON line… my buddy Floyd Anderson who lives near me here in Florida has graciously bantered about a bit about this and that but I can tell he is perturbed…
So… with that in mind I would appreciate you checking out the Civil Court records of Nash County, NC…. I have been utterly amazed at the information I have found in similar records of Virginia… It seems our ancestors were inclined to sue the hell out of each other at the merest of provocations… hence that little “tidbit” we are looking for…
I mean, hell, its only a few thousand pages….
I still have a day job you know… smiling…
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For any of you younge pharts getting into this genealogy stuff… Dr. Cary wrote a book in the 60’s or 70’s… you know … a long time ago… I ran across a reference to that book and absolutely had to have it.. I tracked it down to some obscure library in Wisconsin (I think) and a kind old lady sent me a hand printed photostat of the several pages that I requested… and now we are discussing some ancient history… deal with it… (a “photostat” was a kind of early iPhone picture… you know?)
Oh… as an afterthought… I just can’t shake it out of my mind that there is a STURDIVANT connection to your ANDERSON gal… I “think” (can’t prove) that any proof that may show up will go back to Prince George County in Virginia. Or to put it crudely (which is what I do) … I think she got knocked up in Virginia and the poor bastard died… the question is “what would motivate her to move to NC in 1745 or so”… the Sturdivants were Indian traders. Its what they DID.