Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina

I’ve moved this conundrum to a “Page” on the right…..   see “Andrew Ross will”…

I found these entries in SC Probate Records, Marion Co., 1800-1825… no index and a tedious search for Pitmans…

Martha Pitman….  widow of Abner?

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Is this the Turner Bryan?

“Abstracts of Wills, Edgecombe County North Carolina, 1733-1856”, by Ruth

Smith Williams & Margaret Glenn Griffin

pg. 61 Edgecombe Co. NC dated 12 August 1797, probated Aug 1797

William Bryan: names wife Lizanar and children Turner Bryan, Bat Bryan,

Patty Bryan, Polly Bryan, Canadah Bryan, Barbary Bryan

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Charity Pitman… sister of Abner?

Sarah Pitman

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A Malachi Murphy was associated with Abner in Edgecombe… is this him?

A “James Harrell” is noted in one of the entries above…

Series: S108093

Reel: 0017

Frame: 00718

Item: 000

Date: 6/4/1829

Description: HARRELL, JAMES OF MARION DISTRICT, WILL TYPESCRIPT (MSS WILL: BOOK 1, PAGE 167; ESTATE PACKET: ROLL 371) (1 FRAME).

Names indexed: HARRELL, JAMES; HARRELL, MARY H.; HARRELL, MATTHEW W.; PITMAN, CHARITY; PITMAN, SARAH

Locations: MARION DISTRICT

Document type: WILL (TYPESCRIPT)

http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/RecordDetail.aspx?RecordId=298204
notes…
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source: http://www.martygrant.com/genealogy/familydata/aqwn908.htm
Charity Pitman

CENSUS:1850 Marion Dist., SC # 881/885
Ithamer Gaddy 85 Farmer $500 Marion
Charity 74;

NAMED-PROBATE ROLL # 321 Marion Co., SC Ithamar Gaddy 1851
Will dated 20 Sep 1850
grave stones form my wife Charity and William Gaddy my son decd.
Gr-Ch John J. Gaddy, Levi Gaddy, Israel Gaddy, Mary Gaddy, Samuel Gaddy, Joseph Gaddy, Charles Gaddy, Sarah Gaddy and Adeline Gaddy, all the children of my son William Gaddy, decd except Elizabeth Grantham wife of Elias Grantham.
Gr-children John, Ann, Civil and Catherine Grantham children of my dau Elizabeth Grantham, decd.
my sons James, Hardy, and Allen Gaddy.
Dau Nancy Hays
son Silas Gaddy
dau Mary Stackhouse
no proven date, appraisal dated 16 Jan 1851
…;

REFERENCE: A History of Marion County, South Carolina From Its Earliest Times to the Present, 1901, by W. W. Sellers, Esq., of the Marion Bar. 1902. pp. 176-178

Gaddy.—Another family in Hillsboro, is the Gaddy family. Old man Ithamer Gaddy was the first known ; his wife, Charity, was a Miss Pitman, sister of old man Hardy Pitman, who seventy-five years ago lived near by, and was a prominent citizen ; the name Pitman is not found in the county. Old man Ithamer Gaddy was a most excellent man, quiet and inoffensive, a Christian gentleman ; he raised a large family, five sons and two daughters; the sons were William, James, Hardy, Allen and Silas; the daughters were Elizabeth and Mary (Polly, as she was called). ;

Amy Pitman will and children….    http://sciway3.net/proctor/marion/wills/PitmanAmy.html

1738    (p. 48) 21 Mar 1738 . . . Account current of Estate of Elizabeth Champion, decd., by Charles Champion, administrator, lists “Col. Allen for Probation of my father’s will”, “for my mother”, Capt. Ruffin, Benjamin Champion, Benjamin Bell, John Wall, Sr., Absolan Atkinson, Mary Champion, Joseph King, John Bynum, Charles Kea, Nicholas Valentine, Samuel Lancaster, Jr., Lemuel Hargrove, Jr., Augustus Hargove, Anselm Baily, Henry Atkins, William Lancaster, Lawrence Lancaster, William Nettle, William Coker, John Coker, William George, Robert Mercer, Robert Lancaster, Jr., Thomas Lyles, WILLIAM PITMAN, James Stringfield, Benjamin Baily, BENJAMIN PITMAN, Richard Blow, Elizabeth Champion, John Waller, Jr., Thomas Riggon, William Barrow, Thomas Hardyman, Francis Riggon, William Davidson, JOSEPH PITMAN, Thomas Holiman, Jr., William Little, Thomas Bell, Samuel Person, Allen Warrin, Jr., James Bennit, Jr., John Judkins, Robert Landcaster (sic), James Washington and John Clarke (Surry Co VA).

from post of Guy Baker…  http://genforum.genealogy.com/pitman/messages/1565.html

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I think William Pitman was the father of Benjamin Pitman and Joseph Pitman….(I’m theorizing here so work with me)… this older William was likely the brother of Thomas Pitman of Meherrin River who died 1730.  Joseph “the Quaker” was the son of this Thomas of Meherrin.  Joseph was born 1724.

Benjamin and Joseph were Quakers in Surry Co, VA.  They relocated to Edgecombe. Note their death dates… Benjamin 1755, Joseph 1763.

The younger generation Joseph b.1724 was only 6 years old when his father died. I theorize that this young Joseph was raised by his uncle Benjamin or Joseph Sr….

This is how Joseph b1724 became a Quaker. I don’t think any of the other sons of Thomas d1730 were Quakers.

Joseph “the Quaker” dies intestate in 1782… but he leaves that deed of 1782 which I think in essence is a will…

Run all your questions around that scenario and see if it fits…

Finally, the Joseph Pitman who acquired the property of Elizabeth Pitman in 1761 was the son of Robert Pitman, another son of Thomas d1730.  He basically had nothing to do with the Quaker Pitmans.

And… I’ll attempt to be serious… uh huh….  that Jan 1766 Court Minutes entry has stopped every serious researcher dead in their tracks… again, I think it was just a clerical error because without it Logic prevails and this puzzle is actually really simple.

So I’m hooting, hollering, strutting, patting my own back and generally dancing around because in my mind I had finally solved the case of “the Quaker” Joseph Pitman.  The one that perplexed Hugh B. Johnston and has been a thorn in my side for years.  So whilst I’m celebrating, my buddy David throws a dead cat and trips up my dancing.  I had crafted my theory so tightly that not even light could get in…  much less the theory be wrong. … I’m referring to the Quaker Pitmans of a couple “Posts” back…

Like I say… my buddy David throws this dead cat in my way…

from the Edgecombe Court Minutes…

[117]   Jan1766

Anne PITMAN Guardian of Jethro Anne & Chloe PITMAN Orphans of Joseph PITMAN deced.

exhibited on Oath accts. of her Guardianship which were allow’d &c.

Joseph PITMAN Guardian of Thomas PITMAN Orphan of Joseph PITMAN deced. exhibited

his acct. by his Afirmation which was allow’d &c.

Thomas Pitman CANNOT BE “Orphan of Joseph Pitman deced.” Because Joseph Pitman WAS NOT DECEASED because he was both the father and guardian of Thomas Pitman .

So I’m saying this historical record is WRONG>

Take your pick:

The Court Scribe was drunk or hungover.

The Court Scribe was stupid and Lazy.

The Court Scribe was daydreaming and not paying attention.

The Court Scribe was “messing” with any future genealogists and the bastard knew it.

I can’t find that Jan. 1766 court document but I have found a pile of the Guardian documents and NOWHERE does in mention

Thomas Pitman “Orphan of Joseph Pitman”…  ALL of the Ann Pitman documents mention those children as “Orphans of Joseph Pitman” which is why I think a inattentive scribe simply wrote down an error.

Thomas Pitman was always referred to as “Heir” or “Legatee” of John Gay Junr…  never as “orphan of Joseph Pitman”.

My main interest in this character is him buying some land from James Anderson in March 1721/22…

Colonial Bertie Co., NC Deed Books 1720-1757  Mary Best Bell  Deed Book A

pg. 19. James ANDERSON of Bath County to John GRAY (Capt.) March 3, 1721/22. 400 a. NS Morattock River in Occoneeche Neck. Part of 640 a. surveyed by Coll. William MAULE for William BRASWELL then sold to Matthew CAPPS, and by CAPPS sold to James ANDERSON. Adj. William BOON, John NELLSON. Wit: Patrick MAULE, Mau. MOORE. April 20, 1722. C. GALE, C/C

Here’s the mystery part… sorry for not having an exact deed book reference…I grabbed this among some stuff and did not get a proper citation but definitely a Chowan deed book…

Chowan Deed  book #?   page 436(crossed through) 414, then on same page #25:

Rbt. Hammilton to Gray

Mr John Gray Sr. [Sir]  If you deale so by others

as you have done by me you will get but few commissions

from London  I am sure you have not acted the fair

part by me Nither was it ever my dising [design]

that you should hade ye disposal of my 1/4 of

Lueas? Cargo. the trifeling Excuses you have

mead about delaying to sending Effects because of

a deference betwixt Mr. Cockburn & me is as

unacconable as your declining to win me about

my affaires & not to tel me my Effects is turned

to pitch & you have Kyred? yt. Pitch this 6 or 7 years

in yr? possession, hade you disinged my advantage you

hade sent me Returns 5 years agoe  I Expect you will

allow me Intrest for the time you have kept me

out of my Effects & if Mr. Stenton has not gote

them already I disayer you may give Mr. John Maul

drest deer skins or money yt all may be sent me yr

first opertunity & send me some Snake ru__? [root?]

for the books I give you, I am Sr your humble Sert

P Hamilton  Land ye 23 dink?  1723

[Endorced] (sic)

To Mr. John Gray in North Carolina America

North Carolina  I the within John Maul Grant me

to have Received from the wtin named John Gray

Eighty Nine Barrels of Pitch on the account of

and by the Order of the within Robert Hamilton Mert.

in Capt Hall Court London be in full of all

accots. twine the said Robt Hamilton and the sd

John Gray of the afored. Sum I Eaerer?

& discharge the said John Gray and having Sevll

orders besides the wtin Letter to receive the same

and os all debts proceeding the date of the within

Letter, as witness my hand this ninth day of

February 1724/5 Jo Maule

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Some misc. notes I’ve gathered…

http://www.southernbryanfamilygenealogialstudy.com/nc_bryans.htm

1377 2 Sep 1721 William Boon of Albemarle Co and Elizabeth Boon to Robert Sims of same, 10L 200 a NS Morattock Riv upon the SS of a Cypress Br, joining William Powell and the Br now in the actual possession of the sd. Sims, part of a Patent granted to William Boon 5 Mar 1711/2, Wit Joseph Boon, Nicholas Boon. Ack 5 Sep 1721 by John Bryan by virtue of a Power of Atty from William and Elizabeth Boon.

1378 2 Sep 1721 William Boon of Albermarle Co and Elizabeth Boon to Henry Sims of same, 15L, 200 a joining the Beaverdam Br, William Powell, William Brasswell and John Pace, now in the acutal possession of Henry Sims, part of a patent for 600 a granted to William Boon 11 Nov 1720. Wit Nicholas Boon, Joseph Boon, ack 5 Sep 1721 by John Bryan by virture of power of atty from William and Eliz Boon.

1431 19 Dec 1721 William Gray of Chowan to James Turner of IOW VA, 15P 320 a SS Morattoke Riv, joining the River Pocoson, Goose Meadow, John Bryan and the River. Wit John Gray, William Comrie, Seth Hatcha, 25 May 1722 C1-220)

1432 18 Dec 1721 William Gray of Chowan to John Bryan of Isle of Wight VA, 320 a SS Morattoke Riv, joining John Nairn and the River. Wit John Gray, William Comrie, Seth Hatcher. 25 may 1722 (c1-221).

Ann BRYAN is a daughter of Lewis BRYAN SR and married John GRAY, identified as follows:

C 163 6 Apr 1729 John Gray and wife Ann to John Bryant, 200 acres on the South Side of Morratuck River at Round Pond and Broad Meadow, adjoining Nicholas Smith. Wit John Perritt, John Hacher, Nov Ct 1729.

John GRAY leaves the following will:
#81 – Will of JOHN GRAY – 20 Sept 1745 – Nov Ct 1750 – surveyor – wife ANNE – beds, furniture in the lower rooms except desk, pewter, and brass pots etc also the use of my plantation where I now live adj Aunt Sarah’s Branch containing 400 acs as well as the use of my Negroes Charles and Sarah; eldest son, JOHN – all my lands in Northhampton and Edgecombe Counties, also a desk in the north room;
son WILLIAM plantation where I now live containing 800 acres adj Broad Branch, Aunt Sarah’s Branch, ROBERT HICKS, Cashia River, but if he dies before the age of 21 or without issue this land is to be sold by my executors with the consent of my daughters ANNE and BARBARA and their husbands if they have any and the proceeds to be divided between my daughters, BARBARA, ANNE, LUCRETIA, AMELIA, and LOUISA;
son WILLIAM – Negro James and Negro Sarah after his mother’s death; daughter JANET McKINZIE – one shilling sterling as I have already given her portion;
grandson JOHN McKINZIE – breeding mare;
daughter BARBARA – 500 (400 ?) acs in Bertie Co on the upper west side of Cashia River adj her brother WILLIAM and Broad Branch, THOMAS TURNER, also Negro Thomasin;
daughter ANNE – residue of land in Bertie on WS of Cashia River adj her sister BARBARA, THOS. TURNER, WILLIAM GREGOREY and the river – also Negro Moll;
daughter LUCRETIA – 200 acs in Craven Co adj Maules Branch – also six cows etc;
daughter AMELIA – 250 acs in Bertie Co in Indian Woods, also Negro Cooper;
daughter LOUISA – Negroes Marke and Ande.
Six months after my wife’s death, all my negroes not mentioned, cattle etc to be divided into 6 parts for my 6 youngest children – BARBARA, ANNE, WILLIAM, LUCRETIA, AMELIA, and LOUISA – JOHN and JENET are not to have any share of the Negroes left to their mother for her lifetime.
Exec – Brother EDWARD BRYAN, nephew THOMAS WHITMELL.
Wit DAVID GRAY, JAS WATSON, DOUGALD McKICHEN

A-150 Copied deed. 13 aug 1723 John Bryan of Bertie to Lewis Bryan of Bertie 37P 12Sh 6p, 640 acres, St. johns Neck, beg at a gum on Chinkapin Swamp Brays corner tree then along his line S45W260P to a pine another of his corner trees then along his other line N45W203P to a pine then S30W312P to a pine in William West line then along his line N80E300P to a maple his corner tree on Chinkapin Creek swamp thence the meadndors of the swamp to the first station.
Signed: John Bryan.

Of course I would be remiss if I leave out this little tidbit…

Minutes of the North Carolina Governor’s Council

North Carolina. Council

October 08, 1736 – October 15, 1736

Volume 04, Pages 223-225

Read the petition of Sr Richard Everard Bart in behalf of Dame Susanna Everard Executrix of Sr Richard Everard Bart Deceased setting forth that the Tuskarrora Indians are indebted to the said Susanna £203 in Drest Deer Skins and praying that they may be compelled to discharge the same referred to the Indian Commissioners

Ordered that a Commission issue appointing Robert West Esqr—Speirs Jno Gray and Thos Whitmel Gent Commissioners for Indian Affairs

Ordered that for the future the Indian Traders do not presume to trust or give any credit to the Indians and that the aforesaid Commissioners take care to see this Order observed.