Joseph Wall – Surry to Edgecombe
I’m waiting for a GENIUS genealogist to explain the simple connection of Joseph Wall to Thomas Pitman of Surry Co., VA. (1600s)
He was… take your pick:
Step son
Son in law, or
A bastard son of Pitman. http://www.jenforum.com/wall/messages/4155.html
Joseph Wall and family take the same track as the Thomas Pitman family from Surry Co, VA to the Meherrin River area where VA & NC border…
Wall, Joseph. grantee.
Land grant 20 April 1684.
Location: Surry County.
Description: 900 acres on the head of William Thompson’s land, on the north east side of the Cypress Swamp.
Surry Co., VA Deeds, Wills, Etc, Book 5 – 1694-1709, page 143
2 Nov 1697…Joseph Wall and wife, Susannah Wall, of Surry County to Roger Williams of Southwarke Parish in Surry County…70 acres of land in Southwarke Parish on south side of Cypress Swamp. Land is part of a patent for 1850 acres granted to Capt. William Corker, decd., on 6 Aug 1671 which 70 acres was sold to James Kilpatrick on 5 Jul 1690 by Mr. George Branch and wife, Susanna Branch who was one of the daughters of Capt. William Corker, decd. When James Kilpatrick died, the land descended to his only daughter, Sarah Kilpatrick, who died in her minority and the land then descended to her aunt, Susanna Wall the wife of Joseph Wall.
Wit: Dionisus Wright, Joseph Coren and William Foreman Joseph [X] Wall
Rec:2 Nov 1697
(some speculate this Susannah is a daughter of Thomas Pitman)
Wall, Joseph, Jr. grantee.
Land grant 28 April 1711.
Location: Isle of Wight County.
Description: 217 acres on the south side of the main Blackwater Swamp part in the County of Surry. Beg.g &c. on the east side of a branch a corner tree of the Nottaway Indians land.
Wall, Joseph, Jr. grantee.
Land grant 28 April 1711.
Location: Surry County.
Description: 200 acres on the south side the main Blackwater Swamp. Beginning at the mouth of a branch on the south east side Seacock.
Wall, Joseph. grantee.
Land grant 23 March 1715.
Location: Surry County.
Description: 200 acres on the south side of the main Blackwater Swamp. And on both sides of the Wild Catts Branch.
Wall, Joseph, Jr. grantee.
Land grant 9 July 1724.
Location: Isle of Wight County.
Description: 315 acres on the south side of Meherrin River. Beg.g &c. in the line that divides this government from North Carolina.
***source: Lib of Virginia online patents
By 1723 Joseph Wall, Sr and son(s) are living near the Meherrin River near the state border… very near Thomas Pitman d.1730.
Province of NC, 1663-1729, Abstracts of Patents, Hofmann
2241 pg. 177 JOSEPH WALL. 150 acres in Bertie precinct in Maherren Woods, joining Kerbys Creek Witnesses: WM. REED, C. GALE, J. LOVICK, RICHARD SANDERSON, THOS. POLLOCK
Colonial Bertie Abstracts, 1720-1757, Deed Books A-H, BELL
A 365 THOMAS HOWELL, JUN. & WIFE ELIZABETH TO GEORGE WILLIAMS
Nov 9, 1724. *. 225 A Part of a patent for 450 A. dated Aug 4, 1723. Granted to THOMAS HOWELL by WILLIAM REED, Esq. President and Commander-in-chief of Province. Adj. Beaverdam Branch & GREAL (?) JOYNER. Wit: JAMES TURNER, JOSEPH WALL, JUN. Feb Court 1724
A 452 THOMAS TURNER TO RICHARD WALL
Feb 13, 1724/5. 20 pds. for 290 A. on SS Maherrin River. Land being granted THOMAS TURNER Dec 3, 1720 on Cypress Swamp. Wit: JAMES TURNER, JOSEPH WALL, SEN. May Court 1725. JOHN WINNS D. C/C
B 305 JAMES TURNER & WIFE ANN of IOW to JOSEPH WALL, SEN
Nov 7, 1724. 5 pds. for 100 A. On SS Morattock River at dividing line between THOMAS HOWEL, SEN and JOSEPH WALL. Part of 640 A. tract dated March 1, 1719. Wit: THOMAS HOWEL, GEORGE WILLIAMS, Aug Court 1727
B 306 JAMES TURNER of IOW to FRANCIS BOYKIN
Aug 3, 1727. “…a valuable sum” for 240 A. On SS Mehherin River in Chowan Precinct. Said land granted to JAMES TURNER by Hon. CHARLES EDEN, Esq. by patent dated March 1, 1719. Part of 540 A. At mouth of Great Branch. Wit: JOSEPH WALL, ROBERT HART. August Court 1727
B 358 JOHN SIMPSON & WIFE MARY of Isle of Wight Co, to WILLIAM WALL
Feb 10, 1727/8. 4 pds. for 180 A. On SS Meherrin River. Land granted SIMPSON by WILLIAM REED, Esq. President of the Province of North Carolina. Grant dated Nov 7, 1723. Adj. JAMES TURNER, HOPKINS HOWEL. Wit: JOSEPH WALL, SEN, JOSEPH WALL, JUN. Feb Court 1727. EDW. MASHBORNE D. C/C
By 1738 Joseph Wall is living in Edgecombe Precinct…
E 248 JOSEPH WALL, SEN & WIFE MARY of Edgecombe Prec’t to SAMUEL TAYLER (TAYLOR). Feb 1, 1737/8. “a valuable sum” for 175 A. Part of a patent for 325 A. On SS Meherrin River and Old County Line. Adj. ____ DELOOCH, ARTHUR COOK, S. TAYLOR. Wit: THOMAS PHILLIPS, jurat, NICHOLAS MONGER, jurat. May Court 1738.*.
E 250 JOSEPH WALL, SEN. & WIFE MARY of Edgecombe Prec’t to THOMAS PHILLIPS Feb. 1, 1737/38. “a valuable sum” for 150 A. Part of patent to JOSEPH WALL on SS Meherrin River at Old County Line. Wit: SAM’LL TAYLOR, jurat, NICHOLAS MONGER, jurat. May Court 1738. *.
E 380 JOSEPH WALL, SEN to EDWARD HOOD
Sep 5, 1738. 10 pds for 10 A. On SS “of the great Branch called Hopkins branch”. Being part of a tract formerly granted JAMES TURNER “adjoining to land formerly was made over in open court by JOHN SIMPSON to WILLIAM WALL, Deceased…, with Relinquishment of my wife’s Dowry…” Wit: NICHOLAS MONGER, RICHARD WALL, JUN., Jurat. Feb Court 1738.*.
E 381 JOSEPH WALL, JUN of Edgecombe Precinct to EDWARD HOOD
Feb 13, 1738. 40 pds for 180 A. On SS Meherrin River. Land “granted JOHN SIMPSON by WILLIAM REED, Esq. President of the Province” dated Nov 7, 1723. Adj. JAMES TURNER at TURNER’S Branch, HOPKINS HOWELL. Wit: THOMAS JACKSON, THOMAS RYNA. Feb Court 1738. *.
E 438 JOHN SPIER (SPEIR) of Edgecombe Precinct to JOSEPH WALL
May 7, 1739. 5 pds. for 50 A. On NS Fishing Creek at Short Swamp. Adj. WILLIAM SPIER. By patent dated Feb 17, 1737. Wit: *.* May Court 1739*.
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Edgecombe Precinct Deeds, 1732-1758, Hofmann
DB 5, page 134 JOSEPH WALL of Edge. Co. to THOMAS HICKS of Edge. Co.15 Jan 1742 20 pounds Va. currency 150 acres on the north side of white Oak swamp, joining the swamp all houses, orchards etc. whereon the sd. HICKS now lives Wit: WALTER MCFARLAN, ROBERT JONES Reg. Edge. Co. Feb. Ct. 1742 R. Forster C. Ct.
DB5, page 410 JOSEPH WALL, JR of Edge. Co to THOMAS TURNER of IOW, Va 20 Feb, 1744 5 pounds Va currency 50 acres more or less on Short swamp part of a grant to WILLIAM SPIER 7 Feb 1737 Wit: WALTER MCFARLAN, WILLIAM SPIER Reg. Edge Co Aug Ct 1745 R. Forster C.Ct.
DB5, page 410 JOSEPH WALL, JR of Edge. Co to THOMAS TURNER of IOW, Va 22 Feb 1744/5 55 pounds VA currency 350 acres on the north side of Fishing creek and the east side of Lodging branch, joining Short swamp and WALTER MCFARLAN whereon JOSEPH now lives Wit: WALTER MCFARLAN, WILLIAM SPIER Reg Edge. Co Aug Ct, 1745 R. Forster C. Ct.
DB5, page 412 JOSEPH WALL, JR (co. not identified) to THOMAS TURNER of IOW, Va 22 Feb 1744/5 20 pounds current money of Va. 354 acres on the south side of Beech swamp Wit: WALTER MCFARLAN, WILLIAM SPIER Reg Edge. Co (month and year not given) C. Ct. (not given)
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Of course there is this guy who dies in 1727 which screws up my tidy little chronology…
1727*Surry Co., VA, Wills & Administration, Book 7, pg. 684 (1671-1750)
April 19th 1727… Will of Joseph Wall: Leg: To my son James Wall 100-acres bought of Thomas Miller to the land of James Wall. To son John Wall bible, sacrament book, tools, etc. To my daughter Elizabeth one chest, etc. To my son Joseph Wall 5-shillings and to son Richard Wall 5-shillings. Rest of Estate to my wife and son Robert Wall, after my funeral expense is paid. Make son, John Wall, Executor. Probated April 19th 1727 and witnesses: Robert Lancaster, Thomas Pittman.
Surry Co, VA Deeds, Wills Bk 3 pg 12: 4 Nov 1684, Deed of Phillip Hunniford to Joseph Wall dated 6 Dec 1671. Joseph Wall and wife Susan Wall sold land to Col. RICHARD JORDAN JR(II) on 18 Dec 1676 and it was recorded in May 1677. RICHARD JORDAN JR (II) and wife ELIZABETH JORDAN made a deed for 200 acres to Robert Littleboy (Littleberry) 4 Nov 1684. /s/ Richard Jordan Jr. Wit: John Waller, Anthony X Evens [Evans]
On back of sale made to Joseph Wall by Phillip Hunniford for 200 acres, recorded 2 Sep 1671 was written that Joseph and Susan Wall of Surry Co. had sold to RICHARD JORDAN JR (II) in Surry Co. land on Black Water in 1676. Witnesses: Chris Holleman and Thomas Pittman, Jr.
3 Jan 1687/8 “Joseph Wall being returned arrested to this court at the suit of Jno. Byneham & being called to come for the & answere the same but makeing noe appeareance” judgment granted to John Bynum for 400 lbs tobacco. [Surry County Orders 1671-1691, p612] Two days later, the sheriff was ordered to attach Wall’s estate. The matter reached a trial two months later [see below].
6 Mar 1687/8 Jno. Byneham Senr. vs. Joseph Wall goes to a jury. He accused Joseph Wall of killing a yearling or young beast of his, to the damage of 400 lbs tobacco. Wall plead not guilty, A jury found in favor of Byneham and awarded him 300 lbs tobacco in compensation . [Surry County Orders 1671-1691, p633]
Joseph Wall had bought land in 1671 from Phillip Hunnsford [Hainsford] who had a patent adjoining the John Bynum Sr. patent of 1681.
Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina 
I AM HOWARD E WALL BORN 1936 WASHINGTON D. C. MY LINE BACK TO JOHN WALL.. FROM DUTCHLAND TOO U.S.A. I HAVE THOMAS PITTMAN BORN 1614 MONMOUTHSHIRE ENGLAND DIED 1683 SURRY VIRGINIA 1 st WIFE FRANCES BIRTH 1620 IN ENGLAND OR SURRY VA. DEATH 4-oct -1666 IN SURRY VA ( mr. & mrs. PITTMANS – SUSANNAH PITTMAN BIRTH ABT 1642 IN ISLE OF WIGHT MARRIED TO JOSEPH WALL SURRY VA. 04-sep-1666 DEATH SURRY, VA. 19 -APR – 1727 CHILDREN 7 1-F AND 6-M . CHILDREN # 1 JAMES BIRTH 1668- # 2 JOHN BIRTH 1670 #3 ELIZABETH BIRTH 1672 #4 ROBERT BIRTH 1678 # 5 RICHARD BIRTH 1685 # 6 JEHU BIRTH 1686 # 7 JOSEPH WALL BIRTH 1689 IN MARYLAND ALL OF THE OTHERS IN SURRY, VA.
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HOWARD E WALL
October 2, 2013 at 1:52 am
Hi Howard
You might be interested in where I think the Wall property was in Surry County.
see here… https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/some-surryiow-patents/
One patent was near Cypress Creek (which branches off the Blackwater)… about 1684.
Another was in Isle of Wight (near Seacock Swamp) about 1711… look for the red asterisk.
These are “educated” guesses on my part but I think they are pretty accurate.
Marc
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anderson1951
October 2, 2013 at 4:36 pm
MARC THANKS FOR THE INFO MOST OF THIS LANDS ARE FOR jOSEPH JR., HE IS Son of my Joseph of Isle of Wight my Joseph married Capt Thomas Pittmans daughter from his ! st marriage to Frances i be live in England , she was born abt 1620 died 04-o
ct-1666 in surry va. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP !! ed wall
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HOWARD E WALL
October 4, 2013 at 11:52 am
A Joseph Wall, son of Richard and Frances Wall, was baptized 25 Dec 1647 in St. Margaret, Westminster, London, England. On 8 Jan 1649, Thomas Pitman married Francis Wall (some researchers claim the name was Hall, but being familiar with handwriting of that time I can tell you I almost 100% sure it was Wall). Within a year, according to Thomas Pitman’s 1677 deposition, he was a resident of Surry Co. VA. His deposition didn’t mention the actual year he arrived, but he said he’d lived in that county for 27 years, which would be about 1649. I believe that Roger Hutchinson’s 1667 Accomack Co. VA land patent in which he claimed Thomas Pitman, Fran Pitman, and Joseph Pitman, was for this couple and that was Frances’ son Joseph Wall with an incorrect name. So, Joseph Wall really was Thomas Pitman’s step-son in the way we use that term today. I am still looking into Richard and Frances ___ Wall in England, and I’ll keep you posted.
Any feedback is appreciated.
Vickie Elam White
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Vickie Elam White
May 8, 2016 at 2:44 pm
Vickie, I am Howard E Wall Jr Birth 1936 Family Tree Y-DNA KIT # 84362 . Joseph Wall was Christened in the same church in 1647 ” father was Richard Wall ” and ” mother was Frances Wall. So Vickie ! I have to be live that the Male Y-DNA line goes bay the way of Joseph Wall to his father Richard Wall
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wallhoward
July 13, 2016 at 5:15 am
Yes, I know that. See my above message. I was just being a devil’s advocate, saying that perhaps Thomas Pitman was having an affair with Frances Wall since they married just months after Joseph was born. That could explain why Walls trace their DNA back to Pitman. Or, there could have been another “non-parental event” (illegitimacy or adoption) more recently.
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vewhite
July 13, 2016 at 6:02 pm
[Edited] A Joseph Wall, son of Richard and Frances Wall, was baptized 25 Dec 1647 in St. Margaret, Westminster, London, England. On 8 Jan 1649, Thomas Pitman married Francis Wall in St. Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England (some researchers claim the name was Hall, but being familiar with handwriting of that time I can tell you I almost 100% sure it was Wall). Within a year, according to Thomas Pitman’s 1677 deposition, he was a resident of Surry Co. VA. His deposition didn’t mention the actual year he arrived, but he said he’d lived in that county for 27 years, which would be about 1649. I believe that Roger Hutchinson’s 1667 Accomack Co. VA land patent in which he claimed Thomas Pitman, Fran Pitman, and Joseph Pitman, was for this couple and that was Frances’ son Joseph Wall with an incorrect name. So, Joseph Wall really was Thomas Pitman’s step-son in the way we use that term today. I am still looking into Richard and Frances ___ Wall in England, and I’ll keep you posted.
Any feedback is appreciated.
Vickie Elam White
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Vickie Elam White
May 8, 2016 at 2:54 pm
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 18:23:11 +0000 To: wallhoward@hotmail.com
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wallhoward
May 9, 2016 at 3:45 pm
I forgot to mention that Richard Wall was buried in St. Margaret’s Westminster on 8 Dec 1648, less than 2 months before his widow Frances re-married to Thomas Pitman. Which could explain the recent DNA findings for the Wall descendants who find their match Thomas Pitman – perhaps Thomas was Joseph Wall’s biological father all along? Or the “non-parental event” could have happened much further downstream, in Virginia. Obviously more research is needed.
Vickie Elam White
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Vickie Elam White
May 10, 2016 at 8:39 am
I would love to learn more about this as I recently received my dad’s FTDNA results and sure enough (his last name Pittman) there are matches to Walls!
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Amber
July 12, 2016 at 1:20 pm
Amber, I am Howard E Wall Jr ( Family Tree Y-DNA Test KIT # 84362 ) birth 1936 my line is back to Joseph’s Wall, The Male Y-DNA Must take the Wall Line back to Richard Wall Joseph’s Father His Mother was Frances Wall. ” I be live my Sister’s MT- DNA Test will go back to Frances Wall’s name “. I hope this helps you with your research !!. ED Wall Jr.
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wallhoward
July 13, 2016 at 8:01 am
Hello, My name is Eric Walls, I have just stumbled upon this info and would like to find out if I am related.
My father James Walls born, Wilmington Del. and No family history is known.
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Eric Walls
February 25, 2020 at 1:04 pm
I see you on the match list! I will email you!
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Amber
July 13, 2016 at 10:02 am
I’m curious with all this DNA spit being sloshed around if anyone has any info if any British cousins across the pond have any matches with any American cousins???
“A Joseph Wall, son of Richard and Frances Wall, was baptized 25 Dec 1647 in St. Margaret, Westminster, London, England. On 8 Jan 1649, Thomas Pitman married Francis Wall in St. Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England”
A little proof would be nice for me to add the above tidbit to my chronicle of generations… just sayin’.
Marc aka anderson1951
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anderson1951
July 13, 2016 at 6:19 pm
Joseph’s christening record can be found at https://ia801409.us.archive.org/32/items/memorialsofstmar00westrich/memorialsofstmar00westrich_bw.pdf
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Vickie Elam White
April 15, 2018 at 1:25 pm
The marriage of Thomas Pitman and the widow Frances Wall can be found in the IGI, batch M041606.
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Vickie Elam White
April 15, 2018 at 1:28 pm
DNA favors the bastard option
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Kevin Wall
October 17, 2017 at 2:35 pm
That settles it then!… oh wait… what?
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anderson1951
October 17, 2017 at 3:53 pm
Thank you Vickie for the research… so indeed there is a record for “a” Joseph Wall in 1647… I am really curious now whether there is any DNA proof from England which matches any Virginia claims???
Oct. 1647 Christenings Jan. 1648
1647. Richard Radley s of Henry
and Katharine
13 Barbara Perch d of John and
Ellen 14 Thomas Weblin s of Martin and Elizabeth John Bruce s of Thomas and
Prudence John Snell s of James and
Frances
15 Emry Argus s of John and Ann
17 Christian Castell d of Thomas
and Ursula Martha Hadley d of William
and Elizabeth
Elizabeth Mayne d of Henry
and Dorothy
Elizabeth Delamace d of John and Joyce
Mary Hinde d of Thomas and
Elizabeth
19 Margarett Child d of Charles and Suzan
20 Thomas Harris s of Cuthbert and Suzan
21 Nathaniell Feild s of Hedgefeild
Ann Tingle d of Anthony and
Elizabeth ^ 22 Lambert Rogers s of Thomas
and Sarah
23 Susan Afflatt d of Richard and
Ann
24 William Trayle s of Gabrell and Katharine Robert Clarke s of Robert and
Jane
Michael Muckley s of Michaell and Frances Jane Creed d of Nathaniell and
Jane Mary Poulter d of William and Anne
26 John Beming s of Phillip and Mary
Suzanna Stevens d of Richard and Phillipe 27 Henry Hall s of Henry and
Suzan
Ellinor Beckford d of Samuell and Ellinor 30 Roger Owen s of John and
Joane
31 Mary Priced of John and Katharine
Thomas Betts s of Humphrey
and Suzan Tremar Dawson s of Stephen
and Mary
John Lowe s of Edward and Mary
John Tuggey s of John and
Sara Roger Dyer s of Paule and
Joane Mary Michell d of Nicholas and Mary
Ann Talman d of William and
Sara Roger Ellis d of Thomas and
Mary
1M7.
November.
3 Anne Wellbroham d of Henry and Winefrett 6 Mary Heath d of Paule and Ann
7 John Prince s of John and
Alice Thomas Bell s of Thomas and
Ann
Joanna Cox d of Roger and
Joanna
9 Elizabeth Wilkinson d of William
and Alice
1 1 John Willis s of Richard, esq., and Prudenee
14 Deborah Emmett d of Stephen
and Mary
16 Mary Perkins d of John and
Penellopy
Mary Payne d of Feinnis and
Mary
17 Robert Browne s of Robert and Elizabeth
18 Robert Corrall s of Cornelius and Elizabeth
19 Sara Fudge d of William and
Grace Jeromy Taylor s of Jeromy and Ann
21 John Mav s of John and Sibbell
‘ Ann Beck d of Augustine and
Jane Barbara Braughton d of Tho- mas and Elizabeth Mary Stevenson d of William and Joane
24 Ellen Beckford d of Samuell and Ellen
Ellen Davis d of John and
Margarett
Mary Fysher d of Stephen and
Margery
25 Alice Read d of Walter and
Alice 28 Nicholas Keys s of Nicholas and Suzan
John Eslin s of John and Eliza- beth
Nathaniell Harding s of Nathaniell
and Bridgett Richard Worsley s of John and
Sara
Alice Wescott d of Henry and
Elizabeth December.
I Roger Parkes s of Edward and
Martha
5 Edward Cole s of John and
Mary
Jeromy Teversham s of Dauid
and Joane Mary Mazoone d of John and
Elizabeth
Elizabeth HooUett d of John and Elizabeth Hugh Coppin s of John and
Jane
1647.
7 Edward Sterbong s of Robert and Jane
9 Ann Scutt d of Richard and
Mary
Martha Heywood d of William and Mary
13 Augustin Ludgate s of John and Winnefrett John Welsbune s of John and
Isabell Ann Ryley d of Edward and
Ann
13 Martha Hawkins d of William and Martha
16 Mary Hooper d of Robert * and
Frances
17 Margery Somervile d of Lodowick
and Jane
19 John Inman s of William and
Joane Augustin Stradlin s of Robert and Joyce Sarah Rich d of Richard and
Ann
Elizabeth Martin d of Robert and Margarett
20 Joane Wright d of Ambros and
Grace John Rowse s of Richard and
Margarett
21 Edward Hudson s of Captain
Georg and Agnes
22 Elizabeth Hinckley d of John and Mary
23 Francis Balls s of Thomas and
Elizabeth
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25 Joseph Wall s of Richard and
Frances
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26 Charles Cotton s of John and
Milbrough
Stephen Piercevall s of John and Ann
Elizabeth Bromfeild d of Ri- chard and Sarah
Michaell Nicholson s of Arthur and Margery
27 Elizabeth Tomkins d of Rowland
and Alice Elizabeth Williams d of John and Ellenor William Moore s of Thomas
and Elizabeth
31 John Ward s of Richard and
Suzanna
1648. January.
1 Edward Knight s of John and
Barbara
George Sybley s of John and
Mary
Christofer Copland s of Christofer
and Tymothy
2 Thomas Cooke s of Thomas
and Abigaile
Ann Straughan d of John and
Margarett
Frances Atkins d of James and
Isabell
205
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anderson1951
April 16, 2018 at 4:10 am
Hard-nosed cynic that I am… Just because a Richard and Frances Wall had a verifiable son named Joseph… AND a Frances Wall (widow) married a Thomas Pitman in England at about correct time…
How do we know that this Thomas Pitman is the one who came to Virginia?
There would have to be some serious documentation “somewhere” in England to convince me.
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anderson1951
April 18, 2018 at 9:29 am