Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina

meant what they said, said what they meant

Edge. Co. (Halifax) Db 6, page 169, deed date 21 Feb 1757, recorded
May Ct 1757, Joseph Lane, Edge. Co to Blake Baker, county aforesaid for
570 pds Va, a tract beginning at a maple William Brown's corner tree on
the river bank of Roanoke or William Jones then along his line south 15
east 260 poles to the center of a red oak and two hickories then south
60 west 120 poles to the center of three hickories then south 45 east
90 poles to a locust post then north 60 east 160 poles to a locust post
then north 15 east to a sycamore tree on Moratock River then up the
river to the first station, containing 200 acres which land was
patented by William Wall and by deed of sale bearing date (10) Feb 1725
conveyed to ( ? ) Barnaby McKinne from the said Wm Wall and devised to
(Mr Richd McKinne now deceased by the last will and testament of the
said Barnaby McKinne and if said Richd McKinne should die without issue
the said land should be equally divided between Patience Land and
Mourning Pope who died without issue and the said land has since been
allotted for the part of share of the heirs of the aforesaid Patience
Land and from John Lane who was heir to the said Patience conveyed to
the said Joseph Land by a deed of sale relation being (      ), signed
Joseph Lane (mark), wit Will Hurst, (John Crary), Batt Persin.
Abstracted 5-03-06, NCA film C.047.40002, CTC.

William Murphy of Chowan Precinct and Martha My wife to Barnaby MacKinne of Albemarle Co. ...this __ July, 1720
 ...L5 current money of England...640 acres more or less at the mouth of a Great Branch called the Cypress Gutt
 which cometh out of the River (Moratock) joining the plantation Arthur Davis did live on...being a parcel of land
 in Calledony Wood formerly granted to William Browne by patent 1 APR 1713 being the tract whereon the said Browne
 did live and is the land given by will of William Browne to his wife Martha and I, William Murphey married the relict
 of William Browne. Wit: William Lattimer, John Alston. Reg. Chowan Ct. the 3rd Tuesday in July, 1720.

 Nathaniel Holley of Chowan Precinct, and Jane my wife to Barnaby MacKinny of Chowan precinct...this __ July 1720.
 L30 current money of England...615 acres in Calli- dony Woods on the south side of Moratock River, joining William Maule,
 William Browne and a pond as by patent to said Holley 1 MAR 1719. Wit: William Murphey, David Mc- Kine. Reg. Chowan Court,
 3rd Tuesday in July, 1720. 

Arthur Davis of Chowan Precinct and Mary his wife to Barnaby MacKinne of Chowan Precinct...this __ July 1720.
 L45 current money of England...640 acres in Calledony Woods on the south side of the Moratock River and run- 
ning the courses of the patent and is the land conveyed to the said Davis (13 July 1718) and was a grant to
 William Browne 1 APR 1713. Wit: William Lattimore, John Alston. Reg. Chowan Court 3rd Tuesday in July 1720.

A bit more on Caledonia... William Maule evidently had property next to William Browne...

http://ncpedia.org/caledonia

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1. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=larrymoler&id=I07211

   Note Generation No. 5, the move from IOW to NC.

   This has been interesting, thanks for allowing the comments.

   Danny

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   Danny P. Brown

   July 7, 2011 at 5:03 pm

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   • Danny Thanks for the input. I think much of the data from the links you provided is gleaned from the traditional accounts of John Bennet Boddie’s research. I offer some contradictory info in my notes… particularly that the William and Thomas Browne of Chowan (now Northampton Co.) may actually be sons of the Indian Trader and not connected to the Boddie family of IOW.

     Don’t be a stranger
     Marc

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     anderson1951

     July 7, 2011 at 5:52 pm

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     • I hesitate to jump in here because I haven’t read all of your pages yet and this may already appear somewhere else. The William Brown who married Martha Braswell was the father of sons John, Thomas, and Jacob. John married Mary Foster (whose father Robert names their son John in his will), Thomas married Christian Maule, daughter Sarah married Daniel McDaniel, and daughter Mary married Gideon Gibson thus adding strength to your Indian trader connection.
       However, Mary Jane McKinnie (daughter of Barnabus and Mary Exum) also married a John Brown around the same time period. Have no idea where this John fits in.

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       Jane

       July 16, 2011 at 7:30 pm
     • You and I are on the same page… seperating these Brownes is maddening:

       40 years between these 2 Bridgetts…. what’s up with that?

       Wills and Administrations of Isle of Wight County, Virginia, 1647-1800 By Blanche Adams Chapman

       BROWN, John: Dying intestate, administration requested by Bridgett Browne, his relict, Feb. 9, 1665, R, March 26, 1666. Security, Mr. Arthur Smith, Edward Gibbs. Page 11

       Isle of Wight Deed Book 2 1704-1715, Hopkins

       (p.40) 9 Aug 1706…. John Browne and wife, Bridgett Browne, to Samuel Canidy…. 220 acres (being a patent dated 29 Apr 1692 in the lower parish on the south side of Kingsale Swamp and bounded by Jonathan Robinson and William Stott (Scott?).
       Wit: Richard Exum and William Murray.
       John (X) Browne
       Rec: 10 Jun 1706

       Also I think the 2 Browne brothers teamed up with Richard Braswell and bought some property right next to the Nottoway reservation about 1702 or so… Hmmmm…
       ———-
       Barnaby McKinnie (I don’t have him on the IOW map) lived very close to the Braswell property… I don’t know if he was a trader but wouldn’t be surprised. He moved for a short time just over the Blackwater River before heading to NC.

       Isle of Wight Deed Book 11688-1704, Hopkins

       (p.339) 9 Dec 1701…. Deposition of Thomas Reeves, aged 52, states that he knoweth Michaell Mackquinny owned a certain piece of land in his lifetime and in his will gave his main plantation to his younger son Barnaby Mckquinny but after his death the land was found to Escheat and it is now held by said Reeves in right of his wife Elizabeth Reeves who received it for her lifetime from her husband Michael Mackquinny. Mention is made of John Mackquinny who acted for his brother Barnaby Mackquinny as he was not of age.
       Thomas (X) Reeves
       Rec: 9 Dec 1701

       Is this your mystery John Browne?

       C 319 JACOB BROWN to BARNABE MACKINNE, JUN. March 28, 1730. 40 pds. for 100 A. “…land…to me by last will and testament of my father WILLIAM BROWN which land since my father’s decease for want of patent hath been surveyed for my Eldest brother JOHN BROWN…by date March 13, 1721….” Cont. 525 A. On SS Morattock River “whereon my father did live and then dye….” Adj. RICHARD JACKSON, BARNABE MACKINNE, ____ STRICKLAND. Wit: BARNABE MACKINNE, jurat, MARY MACKINNE

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       anderson1951

       July 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm
2. 220 acres witnessed by Exum to John and Bridgett in Isle of Wight, Va. Bk. 2 Page 41. Also, located in Miner Descent. Still believe this is not the same Browne from Ingatestone? Trying to see where during the same years they both lived in Isle of Wight and ,married the same Bridgett.

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   Danny P. Brown

   July 13, 2011 at 7:39 pm

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   • I think its an unwritten rule that if two people with the same name and same county have to live close together just to baffle future genealogists… the Bridgett gal is a mystery to me (I thought with that name it would be easy to find her but there seems to be more than one…. Bridgett was common name …whodathunkit?)

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     anderson1951

     July 13, 2011 at 8:25 pm

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     • Danny
       A belated answer to your “Bridgett” question is above (see Jane answer)… I wasn’t trying to be snarky, it was buried in my notes.
       Marc

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       anderson1951

       July 16, 2011 at 9:49 pm
3. Re: Jacob Brown to Barnabe McK 1730: The John Brown mentioned as brother to Jacob is also the son of William Brown and Martha Braswell. He is the one married to Mary Foster.

   As I look at my notes, Barnabe McK’s son Barnaby (apparently you can spell the name any way you want to) is also married to a Mary Brown. It’s like a pile of spaghetti.

   Barnabe Sr. received grants in Isle of Wight for 5684 acres for the transportation of 109 people between 1702 and 1714. He sold this land is an series of 55 deeds before they moved to NC about 1721.

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   Jane

   July 17, 2011 at 2:36 am

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   • (Laughing)… And all the while, William Boon is trampling thru the woods of Occoneechee Neck also. I’m kind of partial to the spelling “Mackquinny” but it seems to have lost favor. Also lost is the name of my guy’s wife who is probably a sister of one of these characters… James Anderson.

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     anderson1951

     July 17, 2011 at 5:23 am

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     • (Still laughing)… And to stay on point and give the “researcher” J.B. Boddie his due- there is still confusion over items such as this:

       William Boddie will
       17 December 1712, wp 25 Feb. 1717, Isle of Wight co., VA.
       “In the Name of God Amen: I, William Boddie, of the Isle of Wight county, being sick and weak of body, … I give and dispose of as followeth, after my debts and legacies are paid.
       (snip)
       I give and bequeath to my grandson, William Brown, one shilling.
       I give and bequeath unto my grandson, Thomas Brown, one shilling, and also I do give and bequeath unto all their sisters, my grand-daughters, one shilling apiece….
       (Hmmm…William Browne dies 1719, Thomas in 1718…Boddie was supposedly in his 80s…even so…Does this imply his grandsons were still living in IOW?)

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       anderson1951

       July 17, 2011 at 5:49 am
     • Answering my own question- perhaps this is the “other” Browne for the will of William Boddie:

       ?
       Isle of Wight Co., VA wills, Book 2A, Page 90
       BROWNE, John: Leg. son James, my land on Timothy Walker’s road in Surry
       County; son Thomas land on the same road; daughter Elizabeth; daughter
       Mary; daughter Ann Camerine; daughter Bridgett Wresbury. Exs., sons
       James and Thomas Browne. D. January –, 1720/21. R. July 24, 1721.
       Wit: Thomas Nickson, George Goodson, Peter Green.
       (note the name “Bridgett” …this seems to be Surry County)

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       anderson1951

       July 17, 2011 at 11:23 am
   • Another sordid tidbit… (from an older Post)

     Just to let you folks know that I have a sense of humor and don’t take this too seriously, I was perusing some notes in preparation of a Page and ran across one of my own comments I forgot about….

     Colonial Bertie County, NC, Deed Books A-H 1720-1757. Bell

     B 144 JOHN BROWN & WIFE MARY TO WILLIAM STRICKLAND May 9, 1726. 20 pds. for 100 A. On SS Morrattock River at BROWN’s Spring Gutt. Wit BARN MACKINNE, JOHN ANDERSON. May Court 1726. ROBERT FORSTER C/C

     an aside pertaining to the despicable philanderer …

     Minutes of the General Court of North Carolina

     North Carolina. General Court

     July 28, 1727 – August 02, 1727

     CSR Volume 02, Pages 703-712

     A presentment against John Brown for having left his Wife the daughter of Barnaby Mackennie and cohabits with another which he acknowledges to be his lawfull Wife both of the Sayd Women within this Government….

     The presentment of the grand Jury against John Brown was read in these words Vizt

     Wee of the Grand Jury do present John Brown of Bertie precinct alias Bath Severall amongst us Say that they know him to have left his Wife the daughter of Barnaby Mackinne & cohabits with another which he acknowledges to be his lawfull Wife both of the Sayd Women Within this Government.

     …he probably drank too…

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     anderson1951

     July 17, 2011 at 1:27 pm

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4. I did not include this tidbit in the main article because, well, the whole thing is confusing enough without it. But perhaps some kind soul can enlighten us as to who this “Bridgett” is and whether or not she is the one who married the Indian Trader (or his son)?

   http://www.nonawilliams.com/names/braswell/burgess_susanna.htm
   Octob.r 1694
   Upon the petn of BRIDGET LEWIS, she has order ag.st JN. COLLINS sen.r for 500.lb of tobo: for the care & pains taken by the sd LEWIS in the cure of the sd COLLINS his wife with Costs ats Ex.o

   Octob.r 1694
   Order is granted SUSANNA BRASEWELL ag.st JOHN COLLINS sen.r for foure hundred pounds of tobo: for looking after the sd COLLINS his wife in her late extemity when she was beaten by the sd COLLINS with costs ats Ex.o

   It appearing to this Courte that JOHN COLLINS SENr hath lately most desperately beaten, bruised, & wounded MARY his wife, insomuch that it was expected she would have lost her life thereby (as alsoe between whom former strife & contention hath been) for prevention whereof for the future, It is ordered that the sd COLLINS pay & allow his sd Wife five hundred pounds of tobo: forthwith, & one thousand pounds of tobo: in October yearly for the tyme to come, for the sd MARY her mainteynance (if she finde cause) To live separate & aparte from her husband, wth Costs ats Exo

   Mr. THO: TABORER agst. Jno COLLINS SENr Defendant appearing & standing mute at the bar, Order is granted plaintiff agst. the present sheriff for 3585 lbs. of tobacco due by bill denied by defendant & proved by oath of Mr. THO: MOOR

   Introduction. SUSANNAH BRACEWELL, wife of ROBERT BRACEWELL, Jr., is easily the most enigmatic figure in our original American family. Those who would claim descent from her are cautioned that her descendants are Braswell in name only.

   She was born in Surry County, Virginia, about 1652 to MARY and JOHN BURGESS, members of the wealthy planter class. Proof of her identity begins with that April 20, 1669 Surry deed ( Surry DB I, p. 332) in which MARY SKINNER, wife of RICHARD SKINNER, acknowledged receipt of all the estate that her late husband, JOHN BURGESS gave to her daughter, SUSANNAH BURGESS. A second confirming Surry document, bearing date of May 15, 1672 (Surry DB 2, p. 14) contains the testimony of RICHARD SKINNER, aged 46, and MARY SKINNER, 40, mentioning the orphan of JOHN BURGESS. RICHARD SKINNER died in Isle of Wight County in 1677, as administration was granted his relict MARY SKINNER on April 9, 1677 (Chapman’s Wills and Administrations, Vol. l, p. 104). MARY SKINNER was married to JOHN COLLINS, Sr., by September 9, 1680, for on that date, GEORGE CRIPPS, widower of JOYCE CRIPPS {MARY’s sister} made an agreement with MARY SKINNER, widow, now wife of JOHN COLLINS regarding MARY’s inheritance in 1300 acres of land from her sister, JOYCE CRIPPS (I of W Deeds and Wills, 1662‑1715, Vol. l, pp. 439‑444). MARY also had a sister, SUSANNAH. wife of THOMAS ATKINSON, who was no doubt SUSANNAH BURGESS namesake. Various Isle of Wight records prove that SUSANNAH’s mother, MARY, and her Aunts JOYCE and SUSANNAH were all daughters of KATHERINE FLAKE, wife of ROBERT FLAKE, from an unidentified previous marriage of KATHERINE’s.

   The April 18, 1679 will of SUSANNAH’s Aunt JOYCE CRIPPS (Will & Deed Book I, Vol. 2, p.262) is the first clue we have to SUSANNAH’s character and personality. Aunt JOYCE is generous to everyone but her, bequeathing Unto my Sister SKINNER fifty Acres of Land that doth joyne Unto that Plantation whereon she doth now live during her Naturall life….., to NICHOLAS DAVIS (her Overseer?) that Plantation whereon he now liveth during his naturall life without paying of Rent only a Capon a Yeare for an Acknowledgem:tö‑‑even a generous bequest to ….that Orphant boy that now liveth with me by name of ANTHONY LEWIS. . .

   two Suites of Apparell

   Three Barrells of Corne,

   One heifer with Calve,

   One Couch bed

   a Small Iron Pot

   One Pewter dish

   One Tray and One Spoone….
   but to

   …SHUSAN BRASWELL my Sisters Daughter, she gave only One Shilling of English money.
   ……………
   Abstract of Virginia Land Patents and Grants: Patent 8, p 176”Mr. Wm. Mayo, 170 acs. Is o Wight Co; adj John Izing; Gyles Lynscott; JohnLawrence; & Col. Bridger, along the main Black Water, 20 Oct. 1692, p. 175Imp. of 4 pers; John Vates, Owen Burne, Wm Calfe, Mary Nickell”Granted 170 acres by Lt Gov. Francis Nickolson beginning at John King’s. toGyles Lynscott, to John Lawrence to Blackwater 20 Oct 1691. He assignedthis land to Thomas Lewis, son of Richard Lewis, recently deceased withconsent of Isabella, my wife 9 August 1693. Isabella makes her brotherHodges Counsel Attorney to acknowledge deed.

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   anderson1951

   July 17, 2011 at 11:48 am

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5. Sorry for the late response, I understand the humor and the aggravation they left us with, thanks for the data points, ok, so in your narrative you speculate that John (Jr) B 1650 husband of Mary Boddie had sons, one of which was Thomas who married Christian Maule, father of William (wife Charity Holmes), father of James (husband of 2nd marriage Patty Redding, Revolutionary Pensions noted, first wife Easter(sp)), father of Jacob (wife Susannah J Hyman), father of Thomas Hyman Brown then all dots connect for us.

   John Sr, 1626, twice on Boddie’s ship, I understand the first time was indentured, seems to be where my starts and we can’t move further up the line. Who is this guys parents, could he be the Kingsale John? We show he died 1712.

   Bridgett Lewis was widow when John Sr 1626 married her in IOW. 1644 marriage date. Died 1713 .

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   Danny P. Brown

   July 18, 2011 at 1:47 pm

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   • No… I say the Thomas Browne who married Christian Maule was the son of the Indian Trader from Kingsale.
     I don’t think the “Brownes connected with William Boddie” even came to North Carolina.
     If my take on the history is correct… many of you Browne descendants need to tear out some pages of your family history, trash them and start again when you trace to the Brownes of modern Halifax/Northampton Counties, NC. Your immigrant would be the Indian Trader who arrived in Henrico Co., VA and not Isle of Wight with William Boddie.

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     anderson1951

     July 18, 2011 at 2:10 pm

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     • another take on the “Bridgett” enigma… (there were more Bridgetts than you can throw a paternity suit at)…

       These “Williams” researchers have concluded that “John Browne” married a Williams gal…

       http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/holthousefamilygenealogy/id38.html
       BRIDGETT WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1670, Isle of Wight, VA; d. Bef. 1694; Married JOHN BROWNE.

       (Browne of Kingsale was born 1639, died after 1707… wife Bridgett signed deed in 1706 …my note, Marc)

       John Browne. Sr., and Bridgett, his wife, he sold to Samuel Cannady 220 acres, “the plantation he lately lived on”, patented April 29, 1692, ln L. P. Kinsale (Lower Parish, Kinsale Swamp). Wit. Richard Exum, William Murry. DB 2 1704-1715”.

       Bridgett was the mother of three daughters at the time of the death of her father. Anne, Bridgett and Mary were named in the will of their grandfather John Williams.

       Bridgett Williams is not named in the will of John Williams she is not mentioned in the Deed of Gift by her mother, Anne Williams, dated 9 April 1694, Isle of Wight County, VA, Deeds. It is likely she had already received her share of John William’s Estate at the time of her marriage. She may have been deceased by the date of Anne Williams deed of gift to her other children.

       … in other words, you Browne researchers have a pile of “spaghetti” as a comment above suggests…

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       anderson1951

       July 18, 2011 at 3:54 pm
6. Ok I think I understand your research now, the disconnect (possibly) is the connection from Thomas william(?) Brown and Christian Maule (pretty tight history to get us to that point) and where we depict John Browne (Jr), b 1650, as his father, your research points to John Browne of Kingsale instead. Here’s what we have on Thomas, B abt 1675 in IOW, Died 12/15/1718 in Chowan County (Wake). They married in 1699 in Nansemond, 2nd marriage.

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   Danny P. Brown

   July 21, 2011 at 12:48 pm

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   • Now we are on the same page…. I do that dirty little deed that genealogists do when they can’t prove a generation- I “suggest” that “probably” the sons of the Indian Trader were William and Thomas Browne of NC. Which is the beauty of these comments sections where anyone can challenge my theory. But, I want to see “proof” or at least a preponderance of evidence.
     Current Braswell researchers have reasonably proven that the wife of William Browne was Martha Braswell. I’ve shown that the Indian Trader John Browne was directly associated with William West (married a Braswell) and probably Robert Stokes (who married a Braswell)…. Christian Maule was “purported” to be the daughter of William Maule (who had associations with Richard Braswell)… I can go on…

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     anderson1951

     July 21, 2011 at 3:35 pm

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     • In his will, dated 4 Dec 1667 and proved in Isle of Wight in 1668, Robert Braswell names daughters Rebecca West and Jane Stokes. He was also the father of Richard. One of Richard’s daughters married a Strickland, Matthew I think.
       All of this has prompted me to go back to my Brown research and now I remember when I lost my mind.

       All of this needs to be plotted out on a huge piece of butcher paper. Back to the basics when things get this confusing.

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       Jane

       July 25, 2011 at 6:22 pm
     • We have some incredible resources now with the ‘net … check the Braswell websites (impressive work).
       One little piece at a time… I added another Page and think I debunked the “Maule” of Christian Maule.

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       anderson1951

       July 25, 2011 at 6:57 pm
   • Is John Browne of Kingsale, the John Browne that left a will in IOW in 1721, mentioning sons James and Thomas with land in Surry County, and daughters Mary, Ann, and Bridget Wresbury, (Rasberry.) ? Also is Kingsale John Browne the same as the Indian trader? My ancestor was the Jesse Browne who married Esther Stephenson in IOW, and left a will for land in Seacock Swamp, south of the present village of Ivor. Abraham Stephenson had an land grant from the early 1700’s in that area, it is near the present Doles road, and there is a Stephenson Cemetery there too. I am interested in unraveling this mess.

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     Randy Stewart

     December 20, 2015 at 8:39 pm

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     • No easy answer to your question… but, in my opinion, the John Browne d.1721 is not the “Indian Trader.”

       I speculate here…

       https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/2-john-brownes-of-isle-of-wight-and-nansemond-early-1700s/

       Marc

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       anderson1951

       December 21, 2015 at 4:32 am
7. I have a challenge out to some Browne’s associated in our DNA study about the aforementioned, this may really make you two pull your hair out, but this leans towards the connection of John Browne Jr 1650 and Sr 1626 to Mary Boddie as Thomas Browne as their son, the daughter in law Christian witnessed the sale. See below and get another pice of paper out.

   When John Jr died Chowan precinct in 1726, inventory of the sale of goods belonging to John Jr, sold 2 Feb 1726. John Warren and wife Grace (Brown), Silvestra Brown of Bertie Co “for the love and affection to our sister Elizabeth Joyner sell her a tract of land formally belonging to John Brown, our father, deceased, patented by him 28 Jul 1713 on west side of Chowan River.” [Bertie County Vol C-168]. Witnesses Finicrer Hayne and Christian Brown (wife of Thomas). Just more info/pieces!

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   Danny P. Brown

   July 25, 2011 at 6:30 pm

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   • Check these death dates:
     BROWN, THOMAS. Chowan County
     April 1, 1718. October 21, 1718. Sons: THOMAS, JOHN, HOWELL, JAMES. Daughter: SARAH MACDONEL. Wife: CHRISTIAN. Witnesses: JUDETH PERRY and THOMAS PERRY. Clerk of the Court: R. HICKS

     BROWN, WILLIAM. Chowan Precinct
     December 15, 1718. July 21, 1719. Sons: JOHN (“ye manner plantation”), THOMAS (150 acres of land), JACOB (150 acres of land). Daughters: ANN, MARTHA, MARY, SARAH (each 150 acres of land). Executors: THOMAS MONDERS [Mandue]. Witnesses: THOMAS MONDERS, THOMAS SMITH, MARTHA BROWN. Clerk of the Court: R. HICKS. Wife of testator mentioned, but not named.

     Danny… show me a Browne in Chowan that you feel confidently is associated with Boddie?
     Each of the above have a son John and Thomas…

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     anderson1951

     July 25, 2011 at 6:52 pm

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8. http://files.usgwarchives.net/nc/bertie/deeds/brownbro150dd.txt

   Thomas Browne, wife Jane, witnesses, Braswell and John Browne. Jane?

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   Danny P. Brown

   July 26, 2011 at 1:27 pm

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   • 

     see the map… that is over by the Chowan River. The Thomas & Wm I refer to are over on the Roanoke R. near Halifax. Looks like you’ve dug up another Browne m. Jane??? The reference to Robert Braswell(in 1714) is out of place also… the Roanoke guys were William, Richard and Valentine Braswell.

     You realize, of course, this may put Jane over the edge?

     http://www.topoquest.com/map.php?lat=36.43337&lon=-76.98281&datum=nad83&zoom=16&map=auto&coord=d&mode=zoomout&size=l

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     anderson1951

     July 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm

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9. Have you read “Southern Historical Families, Volume VI, Whitley-William of IOW,Page 212?John Browne (Kingsale)son Thomas doesn’t seem to be the Thomas who married Christian but Tabitha.

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   Danny P. BrownPage 212

   August 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm

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   • I canceled my Ancestry,com account and can’t access that reference… can you give a synopsis? I do know that some Williams researchers have tried to make a connection to a John Browne. Have you seen my other Page where I debunk the Maule connection?

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     anderson1951

     August 6, 2011 at 4:58 am

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10. Our John Browne, 1626, was shipwright, on 11/23/1675 sells to Robert Smyth of IOW the hull of a new barque (bark) lately built called “Isabella” of 40 tons but then now riding at anchor in Pagan Creek, Smyth paid him 10k lbs. Will and Deed Book 1, Seventeenth Century IOW. Also, ran into this, Thomas and Christian’s son whom I’m related, was named William Maule Brown, Born 1708 in Chowan, Died 11/10/1779 in Martin ,NC, he married Charity Byrd Holmes in Edgecombe,NC. First time I’ve heard W Maule Brown or Charity Byrd. I can email pdf doc I was sent of the excerpt.

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    Danny P. BrownPage 212

    August 8, 2011 at 7:57 am

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    • I am another Browne descended from Thomas and all the above. It is so confusing. I have been studying this family on and off for 30 years and still am not sure who is who. Is there a nice neat family tree where I can SEE all this? Thanks Ellen G

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      Ellen Gonzalez

      July 10, 2012 at 8:07 pm

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      • I wish there was. I’m not sure that the “author” Boddie even placed the Brownes of NC with the immigrant Boddie. My theory is by no means proven but I think it plausible and offers some new pieces to the puzzle.
        Marc

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        anderson1951

        July 11, 2012 at 4:29 am
      • Feel free to email me

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        Danny P. BrownPage 212

        July 11, 2012 at 9:25 am
    • Newcomer: Hello, I have a different take on the trek of the John Browne family (as well as the Richard Booth story). The genealogy and pioneer story is of John Rogers I, cypress Creek, Surry, son John rogers II w, Mary Booth, & John Rogers III. John Rogers II(Beverdam Sw. near corrawaugh Sw. I of Wt. ) lived practically next door to John Booth of Kingsale. It is safe to say that John Rogers was a “best friend of Thomas. They both moved to Nansemond sommerton Cr. in 1700, with Thomas showing John as a Head right ( this was one of those bogus rights) . Apoproximately 1715 Ths. and Jhn moved their families to the N. Side of the Meherrin R at a site later to be recognised as Hills Ferry. (a Kings Landing- commerciaLThere are a wealth of abstracts there to support them. William’s first NC patent was there in 1706. Thomas had patents on the S. Side of the Meherrin near Bells Branch and Old Tree Swamp on the N. side of the Potecasi. He surveyed and also had land on the south side of the Potecasi. Near Bells branch was the land given to his son Thomas Jr. and also land of Daniel MacDaniel. IN 1702 William transacted land near the Blackwater R. on Anthony’s Delight?Golightley Cr. He passed on a parcel to his brother Thomas of Nansemond co. ( note Nansemond above 1700).

      Richard Booth lived on corrawaugh Sw in 1682 and passed land on to John Rogers II and wife (Mary Booth)
      Richard’s sister. This is where Richard Booth received Headright land after his tenure on the Benjamin Harrison Plantation in Surry.Just as the Brown’s and John Rogers were of the first settlers on the N. side of the Meherrin, Richard Booth moved down the Chowan to wiccocon Cr about 1702. His last will and testiment iis ca. 1705 at that location.

      This is consolodated as i have abstracts and many maps to help me follow this story.

      My tree is from Jonathan Rogers 1762 N. Sice of the Potecasi Cr.( original Brown land).

      Benjamin Rogers Smith TN you may e-mail me

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      Benjamin Rogers Smith

      April 18, 2013 at 7:51 am

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      • see my map… https://andersonnc.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/deeds_for-websep111.jpg

        Joseph Rogers (near NC border in Nansemond)
        … just to the north is Thomas Brown… to the north of him is John Brown

        Richard Booth is north of John Brown…

        … interesting…

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        anderson1951

        April 18, 2013 at 12:24 pm
11. Hi anderson1951,
    Is it possible to correspond with you via e-mail? I’m researching my possible connection to Tom Frusman, Weyanoke named in Richard Booth testimony, and the colonial Indian Trade in general. I came across your blog in looking for background info on Booth, Merritt, Harrison, etc. Additionally I’m looking for info on Jolley Webb who in 1750 was witness on a Carolus Anderson deed, and later lived in SC neighboring my ancestors.

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    Alex

    December 14, 2011 at 4:03 pm

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12. Hi Anderson1951, Reference Genealogy of John Rogers., I find myself additionally intregued by the quotes of a William Brown , father of Beale, WHO DIED IN 1921. This is particularly so, because the records show that William Brown, brother of Thomas Brown, died in 1719. While Thomas Brown moved to the future Chehsire’s Landing on the Meherrin approx.
    1714 or before, William , his brother,had patented 640 ac land there as early as 1706. And yet, Beale Brown ‘s name is all over later deed exchanges there. Dr. Samuel Brown, with out a doubt, came through that location and ending a little south to patent land on the NS of the Catewhiskey ca 1715 adjacent or near land of John Dickinson andRobert Patterson n of the Catewhiskey. ( Yet another side note.. John dickinson also owned some land at the ferrry site of Thomas.)

    Another topic: SEE ABOVE Pg 169 23 July 1695 Elizabeth Booth…. Jeremiah Exum…
    Signed William Browne John Rogawes
    This is my John Rogers (II) whose Is of Wt. Beaverdam Sw location practically touches the Kingsale swamps near John Brown.
    Separately also note: references to “little Ahotskey” swamp/marsh and perhaps some “Ahotskey Swamp” references. ( above one reference Wit: John Dickinson and James Holland… They lived there on the Uraha…. also both known to John Rogers. I Find this Ahoskey there spoke of the Uraha Swamp or parts of it; rather than, the primary Ahoskey Swamp off the Ahosakey Creek near the town of Ahoskey, N.C. further south. This would be nearer to the travels of William Brown and aniel MacDaniel. Useful details?

    R. Smith

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    April 25, 2013 at 2:02 pm

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    • Have you searched here for “Rogers”? I’ve been all thru it for Brownes and others… have not checked for your guys… might be a tidbit or 2… http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/master_index.html

      The Brownes and others did not show up on the Roanoke River until about 1712… I think this is the reason:

      “By the late seventeenth century Virginia traders were still trying to compete with South Carolina for the southwestern trade with the Cherokees and Catawbas, and these seven or eight Tuscarora villages must have been able to capture the middleman position in the flow of goods south of the James River to nearby North Carolina Indians. To go a step farther an undated memorial (probably 1718) sent by the Virginia Indian Company to Governor Spotswood attests that between 1709 and 1711 there had “been no Trade carried on from hence with any forreign Indians, the Tuscaruros only excepted.” This idea is not new. Several statements of Lawson’s are often cited to show that the Tuscaroras monopolized trade before 1711. It has always been assumes that the entire Tuscarora Nation, league, confederacy, or whatever held this position. But we now see that it was clearly a limited number of villages.
      This commerce was conducted using not the well-known Occaneechi “trading path”, but a path parallel to or east of the fall line (see map). perhaps the same route Lewis Binford has suggested for Bland’s trip to the Tuscaroras in 1650. In December 1711 the Saponi and Occaneechi, apparently hoping to gain some control of this trade while the Tuscarora were concerned with the war, asked the Virginia government for a piece of land “on the Northside of Meherine River above the Tuscarora trading path.” A year and a half later, in 1713, one of the refugee Tuscarora villages which fled to Virginia expressed a desire to be placed “on Roanoke River near the trading path called Weccacana.”29.” … “The limited demographic data suggest that in 1710 there were fifteen Tuscarora villages with an average population of three hundred to five hundred per village.” pg 37-38, Four Centuries of Southern Indians. edited by Charles M. Hudson, Did a Tuscarora Confederacy Exist? Douglas W. Boyce

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      anderson1951

      April 25, 2013 at 4:33 pm

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13. Interesting comment on Booth. My DNA group just had an exact match from a Booth. 8 separate Brown in my group link separately to John Browne 1626 of Ingatestone Essex England the shipwright. I’m going to link up with that Booth. Good information

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    Danny

    April 25, 2013 at 10:43 pm

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    • Hi Danny
      I just found a deed from 1708 referencing some former Wm.Body property and witnessed by your John Browne… it gives me a signature mark to compare…. now I’m looking for a “mark” for the Nansemond Browne… could be interesting…

      The Brantley Association has scanned the IOW records and apparently gave them to Familysearch.org… they have not been indexed yet…

      The Isle of Wight Project

      The Isle of Wight County, Virginia (IoW) project has been completed with regard to imaging. We handed the project off to FamilySearch who completed some 110,000 images by late September. These were on line at: https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM1F-CD3%3A1473910980%3Fcc%3D2034267 and the Association is lined up (as I understand it) to head up the indexing through the FS indexing program. This will be a monumental project, but we will have a professional indexing program and somewhat of a support staff to help oversee the progress. We will announce when the indexing will begin and encourage all who can to participate in the project. You can do it at your leisure and contribute to a remarkable project which perhaps may prove to be the most valuable genealogy project ever, with regard to our early Brantley family and other families seen there in the 17th , 18th and 19th century.

      http://www.brantleyassociation.com/pages/brantley_news.htm

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      anderson1951

      April 26, 2013 at 4:24 am

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    • The 1707 deposition of Richard Booth identifies him as an Indian Trader. I’ll bet a paycheck that Gideon Gibson also was a trader.
      https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/2012/01/07/more-indian-traders-than-you-can-wrap-a-deer-skin-around/

      http://www.archive.org/stream/expansionofsouth00meriuoft#page/52/mode/2up

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      anderson1951

      April 26, 2013 at 6:07 pm

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14. The will of William Bodie dated Dec 17 1712 named legatees: grandsons, William and Thomas Brown andtheir sisters; daughter Elizabeth Mathews; son John; my now wife Mary. Executor, son John. Witnesses: John Jones, Joseph Chapman,& H. Lightfoot. Recorded: Feb 25 1718.

    William boddie descended from a line of merchant mariners. Hewas born in Fryerning Essex in 1633 but moved with his mother toSt. Botolph’s Aldgate in London’s east end soon after hisfather’s death in 1640. William’s mother married John Wallheadin St. Botolph’s Aldgate in 1641, William’s eighth year. Itappears that William remained in London for the following twodecades until he appeared in Virginia records in 1661 at the ageof 28 as the grantee of 550 acres. One of his headrights, JamesHall, appears to have earlier been the headright of SylvesterThacker in 1650. Subsequently, in 1665, William received agrant of 2800 additional acres for the transportation of 56persons. Among these was Jonathan Browne (later to becomeWilliam’s son-in-law), for two transportations. John BennettBoddie writes that John Browne had earlier been in Virginia, hadreturned to London, and then came back across with the Boddiefamily perhaps as early as 1662, subsequently appearing as aheadright in the 1665 land patent. It is to be noted that JohnBrowne, Shipwright, was also a headright of Captain AnthonyFulgham in 1664 and was his nearby neighbor on Pagan’s shore.On 23 Nov 1675 Robert Smyth, Mariner, paid John Browne,Shipwright, 10,000 lbs. of tobacco for the hull of a new Barklately built called “Isabella” of 40 tons then riding at PaganCreek. Robert Smyth, here listed, appears to have been a Robt.Smyth, Sr., and was noted in John Fulgham’s quit claim deed toAnthony Fulgham in 1669 as being his deceased father, Capt.Anthony’s, tenant on Pagan’s shore. Isle of Wight Countyrecords document that the bark Isabella, belonging the RobertSmyth, aged about 22 years, was pressed into his Majestiesservice 9 April 1677 (during Bacon’s Rebellion) and was castaway. This Robt. Smyth, Jr. may have been the Robt. Smythchristened in St. Botolph’s Aldgate 27 May 1655. On 12 July1665 John Marshall received a grant of 700 acres next to Capt.Anthony Fulgham’s grant and six of his headrights were assignedto him by William Boddie who, on that same day, was granted 3350acres lying next to Fulgham’s and Marshall’s grants. JohnBennett Boddie writes that it may be that these three personsjoined in bringing over a colony. Certainly, theinterconnections between the Boddies of St. Botolph’s Aldgate(SBA), the Shipwright Brownes, the Mariner Smyths (perhaps ofSBA), and the Fulghams suggest interesting possibilitiesconcerning their origins in London’s east end.William Boddie was married three times. His first wife, whocame over with him, was named Anna, last name unknown. Sheappears to have died about 1683. He married secondly,Elizabeth, last name unknown, who signed his deeds from 1697 andwas the mother of two other children, John and Elizabeth. Histhird wife was Mary Griffin, widow of Owen Griffin and daughterof William Hunt, by whom he had no children. Her first husbandwas Robert Edwards. Robert Edwards was the headright of Capt.Anthony Fulgham both in 1664 and 1665. Mary(Hunt)(Edwards)(Griffin) Boddie survived him by 15 years andlived until 1732.

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    Danny

    April 26, 2013 at 7:35 am

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    • Danny
      …my smoking gun…

      BROWN, JOHN and MARY BODDIE, daughter of William Boddie.
      1682. W.&D. B. 2, p. 231
      Marriages of Isle of Wight County, Virginia, 1628-1800: By Blanche A. Chapman

      It is significant that if John Browne married Mary Boddie in 1682 then common sense dictates that any sons would not be 21 years of age until 1703. The William and Thomas Browne who died 1718/19 in North Carolina were obviously much older than a birth date of 1682. I have Thomas Browne born about 1659.

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      anderson1951

      April 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm

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15. As noted before, there could be a set of John Browne’s, one in Kinsale then Pagan’s Creek. My line looks like this:

    John Browne (Jr) Born 1650 (Ingatestone), son of John Browne 1626 Shipright, married Mary Boddie (B. 1653 in IOW) in 1670, one of their sons was named Thomas and was born in 1675 in IOW, Va, died in 1718 in Chowan County. His wife’s name was Christian Maule. They were married in 1695.

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    Danny

    April 29, 2013 at 10:03 am

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    • I clicked on the map. The location of John Brown 1666 came up on the West side of the Blackwater and south of the divide with Surry co inside Isle od Wight. Could this be the same spot as later referred to as “Anthony’s Delight” deed transaction of 1702? Of course, as mentioned above Thomas Brown would have only been 7 years old.
      RS

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      Benjamin Rogers Smith

      April 29, 2013 at 10:18 am

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      • I think “Anthonys Delight” branch is between the Nottowy River and Blackwater River (near the NC border)… there is a swamp called Nottoway SWAMP (not the river)…. Anthonys Delight is just east of Nottoway Swamp. see the map on this page..

        https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/john-browne-of-kingsale-1639-1713-indian-trader/

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        anderson1951

        April 29, 2013 at 11:46 am
16. Thanks, unfortunately I cannot get the map to respond to my mouse in order to read the detainls. Is it possible that the william Brown location on the Nottoway is close to the Dr. Samuel Brown ferry location.
    Rs

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    April 29, 2013 at 1:46 pm

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    • Yes Dr Brown’s land is westerly directly on the Nottoway River. You might try another computer (I check these maps on my home Mac and my work Windows computer… it works today so you may have a computer issue)

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      anderson1951

      April 29, 2013 at 2:23 pm

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17. As I recall the abstract or two about William Browne 1702 on Anthony’s Delight stated that Anthonys delight ‘s mouth(Anthony Lewis) was at the Blackwater. Why then the Nottoway reference? I want to leave the last word to you fellows that have been lookiing at the whole Brown picture for a long time.

    Rogers

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    April 29, 2013 at 3:19 pm

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    • There are no “fellows”… there is only “me” … the branch known as “Anthony’s Delight” is lost to history… the maps that I have drawn are a “best guess” that I have concocted as an amateur “historian”… I can make a post of how I figured out where “Anthony’s Delight” actually was but it will probably give you a headache… so far I have compared about 20 deeds from the Library of Virginia to come to my “guess” … the maps that I have posted are not to be found anywhere else on the planet Earth… no brag, just fact.

      What I am doing is the “next level” of where genealogy has to go to find the “burnt records” of Virginia and NC.

      I just added a post for Anthonys Delight… I’ve just now figured out that Thomas Brown lived near the area you are researching which leaves his sons to be dealt with in any area records…. there is no end to the complexities (smiling)…

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      anderson1951

      April 29, 2013 at 7:32 pm

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18. Thanks, I understand, find the lost records and I will be “in awe”. But what you have done so far is enough for me “to mooch off of” but I believe in sharing mine too. Why do all of this work and then put it in a safe deposit box? R

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    April 30, 2013 at 2:26 pm

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    • We are on the same page… anyone is free to grab any of my stuff.. Lord knows I’ve stolen enough. My motivations are leaving something my kids will enjoy when the ingrates work up some interest. Laughing.
      BTW… check my McDaniels page… I’m adding some info that touches on a “Rogers”.

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      anderson1951

      April 30, 2013 at 3:00 pm

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19. Scroll back up to Bridgett Brown ” to my son Jacob Lewis. I believe she was the daughter of or married to Anthony Lewis. YOu will remember that abstracts of 1702 William Brown and Thomas Brown were eventual owners of the land at “Anthon’y delight.. does the Bridgett Lewis Browne clue suggest that John Brown also had land next to Anthony Lewis.
    ————————————————–

    It is obvious to yo now that I am reading your notes piecemeal. Above also is the depositionthat says that Dr. Samuel Brown also had a son named Thomas Bronw.. I had read this in Hathaway’s a few years ago
    but questioned its actuaracy.Now this presents a whoe new possibility that Thomas Brown and William Brown of Chowan (N.S. Meherrin Hill’s Ferry location) may not be borthers. Am I missing something?

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 8, 2013 at 7:42 am

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    • I haven’t found a “smoking gun” proof that they were brothers… but the circumstantial data leads me to conclude they were. All these Brown’s have to be separated out… its a tough nut to crack.

      This associates the two men:
      WILLIAM and MARTHA BROWN to THOMAS BROWN of Nansemond County, for “a certeyn sume”, 50 acres of the same patent of 156 acres to WILLIAM BROWN that is mentioned above, this tract to begin “at the mouth of a Branch called ANTHONYS GOLIGHT Branch . . . to a Red Oak Saplin a corner tree standing on ye side of a pocoson, called ANTHONYS GOLIGHT corner tree standing on ye side of a pocoson, called ANTHONY GOLIGHT Pocoson . . . “

      Signed October 22, 1703 and witnessed by RICHARD EXUM and ROBERT GUILS (?).

      What if Bridgett Brown was the mother of Anthony Lewis… perhaps marrying the Indian trader John Browne secondly? Just because Anthony Lewis was mentioned as an “orphan” does not mean that his mother was dead…

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      anderson1951

      May 8, 2013 at 8:19 am

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      • I think this is very palusible. If Bridgett is the mother of Anthony Lewis then Anthony had several brothers
        Isaac Lewis, Jacob Lewis.. maybe more….John Lewis and Francis Lewis at Wiccoocon, Brooks Cr. also

        Anthony Lewis lived near Deep Creek/Catherines Creek just so.l of what became Winton.
        ANTHONY LEWISof Chowan Prec. 19 Oct 1713, 300 ac. upon Deep Cr. joining John Fierabent..Wit: Daniel Halsie, Richard Lewis (w. Elizabeth) also a Richard Lewis was there.

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        Have you searched this website for William Williams… title “John Williams web Site to Demonstrate Site Add Ons” I noted three things but there is more.
        William Williams inherited 200 ac in 1692 adj: Thomas Mandue from his father John williams. John”s share of 400 ac purchased by him & his brother Thomas Williams from George Pierce in 1681. Location between the Corrawaugh Se. and Kingsale Sw. 10 mi. south of the Lawnes Creek community.

        2. Also, John Brown, Brother – in-law of William Williams and perported cousin of both Williams wife and Dr. Samuel Brow( 29 April 1692 S.S. Kingsale (Nugent C & P Vol 2 pp 182, 187, 205, 216, 254, 374, Vol 3, pp 4-5.
        3. William Williams early patentee in Nottaway Basin Wesst of Main Blackwater- 28 Oct. 1702 600 ac; other neighbors James Bryan, Thomas Joyner, (dau. married Tho. Williams) bro of Wm. Willoiams: and Thomas Mandue.

        I have not studied this 1702 community while my focus was in Nansemond on the Sommerton. Obviously these folks from is of Wt and the Kingsale area (gen) have a story to tell us.. Thomas Mandue ofcourse is mentioned with William Bronwe SS of the Morratuck and others.

        Interesting site. RS

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        Benjamin Rogers Smith

        May 10, 2013 at 1:40 pm
20. I added the will of Dr Sam Brown above (bottom of thread)… the good Dr appraised the estate of Anthony Lewis (1739 or so) …so Lewis was living in Southampton at his death. Perhaps near his property near Wm Brown’s? Lewis had a son (Jr) who seems to have moved on… I’ve not tracked him.

    Also found Anthony Lewis will 1739 and added it in thread…

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    anderson1951

    May 10, 2013 at 2:15 pm

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21. I always go back to John Browne1626, sold his barque lately in1675, the ship was on Pagans Creek. I am now very interested in the Lewis connection because we knew when John 1626 married her she was a widow with a child. I’ve searched everywhere for her husband or parents. Its too well documented that John Browne 1653 did marry Mary Boddie. There were Browne’s leaving the UK I’m not sure how to separate the two.Browne’s other than match highly probable descendants with DNA. It has linked me to 7 independent records, and mostahree our John Browne, shipwright, 1626 from Ingatestone is not King sale Swamp, oddly wives names and sons names are similar.

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    Danny

    May 10, 2013 at 5:46 pm

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    • I suspect that this may be the mysterious Bridgett:
      http://www.nonawilliams.com/names/braswell/burgess_susanna.htm

      William Browne married Martha Braswell.

      I am at my wits end to prove it but I have to stick with my hunch because of the Anthony Lewis clues… its maddening.

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      anderson1951

      May 10, 2013 at 6:14 pm

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22. Marc, I must be real slow… but I am just now able to see the enlarged pic.s of the maps etc.. I am in your debt. I was right in general about the Rogers in Nansemond on the Sommerton,however,I had all of their plantations down below the NC border on the Sommerton. I cannot really comment on the slut Hester who messes up the upright Rogers name. I was aware of these quotes, but thanks. The dates are troubling and they will require some thoughts on these matters -like sherking their Colonial responsibilities and planting the cash cow, tobacco, rather than community nourishment…CORN. There were more than one Joseph and John Rogers names in the Surry ct. record. So, I have my own version of the John Browne problem.
    Again, thank you. RS…..oh yes, also looks like, Black Dick got the raw end of the punishment. In another ct. action John Rogers was the beneficiary in a will of ” all the hogs that run through my woods”. He would have made a good Ark. Razorback!

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 13, 2013 at 3:45 pm

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    • At the “Fiddlefest” a gal dances with the fella what brung her… end of story. Dunn should have had his ass kicked (or maybe he did who knows?) Did John Rogers dump Hester and marry the Booth gal? How did he meet Booth… was he a trader?

      I read the Boddie account of the Rogers… or rather Dr Holtzclaw’s account… Southside Virginia Families vol 2. I find it lacking… if you look on my Surry to Nansemond map there clearly is a Joseph Rogers adjacent to the John Rogers Sr & Jr… someone explain him??? also a Benjamin Rogers???

      And Rogers… you ain’t slow…my maps are big and bulky (not really set up for easy viewing)… its just that the true picture hasn’t been flushed out yet… just because the hotshots have given us their version doesn’t mean us old pharts can’t do a little of this genealogy stuff too.

      Keep diggin’…. and you have to laugh a lot too, the old timers were no different than us…

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      anderson1951

      May 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm

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23. The pivotal deed on your Nansemond map is that of William Howell. In two headright grants of 1685/7 he received grants here for 850 acres. then as recorded in C. and P. by Nel Nugent, Vol.3 Pt.Bk. 10,pg 157:

    Thomas Godwin, 878 acs. (O.&N.L.) U.P. of Nansemond Co.. on S.E. Side of the short Swamp of Sommerton Cr.; 16June1714 p.192, 878 acs. Granted William Howell, 20 Apr. 1685, who assigned to JOHN ROGERS, dec’d, 20 Feb 1686/7; 200 acs. part of which he made over to William Rogers, who conveyed to said Godwin, 12 Oct. 1703; 50 acs. part bequeathed by ds. John to his son Thomas, who conveyed to said Godwin, 25 Nov. 1709; 620 acres part being over-plus 3 lbs., 5 Shillings. I will not monopolize the space by detailing all of these characters and events. I will say that John Rogers of Cypress Cr. Surry is widely perported to have died ca.1685. (close enough). I have no clue as to why Wm. Howell was so “indebted” to the Rogers family.

    I know the author of the most widely circulated book on John Rogers and he speaks well of Holtzclaw. Not only was it missed by Holtzclaw, as well as Worth Ray in his work about the Robert Rogers line. (Note the Langston patent: Robert Rogers quickly settled here for a while aa did Thomas Lawrence, friend of John and Robert) The R. Rogers and the Langstons were VERY tight. However, I will not be arrogant, as I too have errors in my research.

    Just like my genealogy work, I too, am a work in progress. John Rogers and his son were certainly frisky fellows chasing and skinning feral hogs. I would feel a little better if I read that his friend ,Thomas Brown, had chased a few hogs himself. Man does not eat by bread and wine alone.

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 14, 2013 at 7:03 am

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24. Additional reply, to the Rogers’ posts above. John Rogers II married Mary Booth sister of Richard Booth.
    Richard Booth most probably moved to Corrawaugh in 1681 and gave land to his sister in abt 1682. Thus , the 1682 date does not match up with the John Rogers, Hester/Dunn affair abt 1683/4. John Rogers III married Bridgett Cooke (Cooks of Is. of Wt.).
    I am surmising that the John Rogers got to know Richard Booth when Booth worked on the Benjamin Harrison Plantation for Charles Merritt.

    Additionally, note these two John Rogers do not sell their old Beavedam Sw. land (below the Corrawaugh Sw.) until 1722 when they had lived at the Meherrin River with Thomas Brown for 7/9 years. This sale (listed above by you is Witnessed byRichard Lawrence ( who still lived on the Sommerton Cr. near the Langstons. Main point > a Richard Beale signed as witness……..kin to Beale Brown??? ALSO
    above 1704 Richard Reynolds to Benjamin Beal wit: WILLIAM BROWN. I feel sure you did not miss these.

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 14, 2013 at 9:16 am

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    • You may be on to something with the “Beale” aspect… a mother’s maiden name would often become the first name of a child. So… if the Indian trader John Brown had a son John (as I suspect) who married a Beale gal then voila!… The Beale Brown was a son of a William however, so the time frame is “iffy” but plausible if the son John was born around 1660… Beale could be a grandson. I suspect this John Brown died 1719 just after Thomas Brown (noted at the same court 8 months later).

      Per above Booth & Rogers… Benjamin Harrison was a notorious Indian Trader so you could be correct… again, very plausible.

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      anderson1951

      May 14, 2013 at 10:11 am

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      • First, Really appreciate and enjoy your work here. I’m a long time student of the Jenkins who were lurking near some of the people you are chasing and have been some what an enigma themselves. Your maps have been crucial in bringing clearer focus on the subject.

        Beale Brown was one of the persons that the Jenkins interacted with and is there any evidence counter to saying that Beale Brown was most likely the son of William Brown that married Martha Braswell? By your calculus, the father of Beale Brown was probably born before 1660 as the William, brother of Thomas Brown (b.c. 1659 by deposition) was. I don’t know the birth year of Martha Braswell, but some on the internet say c.1675. There appears to be a fairly good gap in ages and appears she would be too young to have been mother of Beale, but perhaps William was married to say a “Beale” girl before Martha and gave birth to Beale.

        B: 250 Beale Brown to John Power. Nov. 10, 1726. 150 pds. for 320a. According to patent dated Nov. 6, 1706. Assigned to Sarah Brown wife of William Brown. Wit: James Jenkins, Fran. Benton. March Ct. 1727. Henry West by power of atty. from Brown ack. within deed of sale to John Power in open court..…

        This is a copy and paste record I have and the “Assigned to Sarah Brown wife of William Brown” puzzles me. I thought Sarah is the wife of Beale. An alternate source on the internet has name William Brown also (abstract error?). Also, I can not locate any patent referencing the Nov. 6, 1706 date. The location of the deed is not mentioned, but James Jenkins and John Power are witnesses to a May 15, 1727 deed between Edward Powers and John Bonde on NS Merherrin river in the fork of the Horse Pasture Creek.

        To speculate some more, I will throw in this Richard Brown:

        E:59 4 Nov. 1736 Edward Tidmon & wife Margaret to Daniel Brown 100a on Chinkapin Cr. adj. John Young, William Downing, Francis Brown. Being plantation lately belonging to Rich’d Brown, dec’d. Wit: John Wynns, jurat, James Jenkins, Sarah Wynns. Nov. Court 1736

        Perhaps Richard and Beale were brothers named after a grandfather Richard Beale?
        Richard Brown; will Apr 8, 1734 Bertie Co., Daniel and Margaret are named children, but Francis was not and perhaps a cousin. Francis Brown; will Nov. 7, 1748 Bertie Co.

        In my overall analysis of the Jenkins, James Jenkins’ was probably father of Francis Jenkins who was recorded in Edgecombe as alias “Rogers” and in some deeds, he went by Rogers Jenkins. He was called a “mustee” in court by Elisha Battle. My prime Rogers suspect as a potential grandfather, at this time, it the Thomas Rogers that you have written about who had land at Summerton VA. (Dr Henry Jenkins had land at Summerton who I believe was an uncle to James). Thomas Rogers appears to had a son Thomas whose will is recorded Aug court, 1749 Bertie Co.

        Chowan #449 pg. 30 Mary Williamson of Chowan Prect. To William Crawford 15 Apr. 1720 power of attorney to acknowledge sale of 100 acres to Thomas Rogers son of Thomas Rogers, decd. Which was sold by my husband William Williamson Wit.: Jane Rogers X her mark, Richard Mallpass RM his mark Reg. Chowan Ct. 3rd Tuesday in Apr. 1720 Test.: Thomas Henman, Clerk

        William Crawford noted was probably the grandfather of James Jenkins and father-in-law of Aaron Oliver who was mentioned in the Charity Brown/Thomas Rogers issue.

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        Stephen

        April 6, 2023 at 7:19 pm
25. Concerning a RICHARD REYNOLDS: He is found above with a Christopher Reynolds with a Witness: William Brown, (above) Then his large 720 ac. patent is highlighted just east of Thomas Brown on Cabin Sw NS of Sommerton Cr. in 1694. BUT he sells only 220 ac of this patent in 1697 to Butler. What happens to this guy and who is he in relation to the Browns. In 1704 he is selling 267 ac. of land on The Western Branch????? to Benjamin Beale. Is he also found at the Wiccocon Cr., Brooks Cr. loation on the W>S> of the Chowan??

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 14, 2013 at 2:24 pm

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    • I ,like you, have wondered for a few years where this Beale Brown fellow came from. I noticed in my library reading this past week that he too, while on the Wiccocon cr., had a son and named him William. Let’s hope this one did not marry a Bridgett.. Today I think I was able to follow this William a few years westward inland from this Wiccocon. I am trusting that he did not move anywhere else to confuse us back in the Meherrin/Potecasi area. RS

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      Benjamin Rogers Smith

      May 14, 2013 at 3:24 pm

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    • I have a few notes on Reynolds…
      https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/robert-coleman-iow-to-bath-co-nc-d-1721/

      As usual, he is clouded in mystery…. tough to get a handle on these guys…

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      anderson1951

      May 15, 2013 at 2:17 pm

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26. I scanned your Reynolds notes:Perhaps Benjamin Beale was in the Reynolds family by marriage.. I am related to this clan of Francis Rountree mentioned here.
    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 15, 2013 at 2:55 pm

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27. I noted above the Witness signature of Thomas Hart, another Hart and a William ?? on the will of Thomas Bronwe Jr. wife Jane ( thought to be Williams). I am related to this line: Thomas Hart + Mary Lane = Jane Hart who married Samuel Brown ( son of John Brown ; Jane and Samuel Begat Brambley Caroline Brown who married Ephriam Daniel. My Jonathan Rogers married Ephriam Daniel’s Dau Elizabeth .
    The short story is that ALL
    of these folks beginning with Thomas Hart and the Lane family were from the Potecasi Creek on the south side. A couple may have moved to the Uraha down creek to the same area as William Browne has a couple of abstract hits. My family history takes on new life here on the Potecasi and former land of Thomas Brown Sr. RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 15, 2013 at 3:06 pm

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28. Referencing your map ( Boddie Southside Families above) to depict the patents surrounding the Thomas Mann who married into the Richard Booth family. Note Richard Booth465 acres 1681. He gave/sold part of this land to his sister and brother-in- law John Rogers (II) w/Mary. their property would have been that where the map is labled “Mr. Lawrence’s Beaverdam. Their land was on Beaverdam Swamp . Rogers and others signed deeds of Mathew Strickland( adjoining) and Johin Brown on Kingsale Sw below.

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 24, 2013 at 7:30 am

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    • True…
      What I decided to do with these maps is to stay with the Virginia patents granted by the Colony. As you know many later deals and swaps were made by the owners. There is simply no way (and not enough room) to list all the later transactions… I think it works well for researchers to locate the original patents and just associate the later transactions with explanations.
      I think I remember a reference to John Brown having property next to Councill and Rich Booth a mile or 2 north of my map… all in all, I don’t think it really helps the cause to research it out…
      Occasionally a “private” deed is needed to find someone and of course I will try to show it… but generally try to stick to the Colony grants.
      99% of the notes in the plats are from the patents themselves… such as “Mr Lawrences Beaverdam”.

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      anderson1951

      May 24, 2013 at 7:53 am

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29. True, I had figured out the reason for your purpose back in Nansemond just seeing how much room was taken up by some of the patents. This helped confirm my understanding because Booth and Strickland’s properties had were flush on another . Then….
    Booths reduction was Rogers gain back to Stricklands lane. therefore the representation was perfect.

    Final note.. Stricklands large plots show he ws rather weallthy.. He turned one of these huge 1000 ac. +plots in Chowen over to Boon and his wife Eliz? Strickloand.

    thx RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 24, 2013 at 10:56 am

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    • That was the land on Blackwater further north in modern IOW… it was inside his larger patent.

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      anderson1951

      May 24, 2013 at 11:19 am

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30. Commenting on the Isle of Wight map above, Re: Thomas Mann ( corrawaugh Sw.) Neighbors: Richard Booth, William Strickland( see east boundary note “Collins”, Wm. Mayo, Henry Applewaight ( large land invester)

    Ref Chowan Precinct, Hoffman. 2 Aug.1715/ Thomas BROWN & Christain, his wile, to John Dickinson of the Precinct afrsd., 2 Aug 1715, 5 and 20 pounds current money, 120 Acres more or less, on the North Side of the Meherren Riv., joining John Applerite(Applewaight?), a long pond, John Rogers and the river pocosin Wit: Joseph Rawlinson, John Molten, William Collins. etc.
    1. John Dickinson’s next new land N.S.Catawhiskey Cr butts Ths.Brown’s other land SS of the Potecasi.
    2. John Applerite— Henry Applewaight big land boss in Is. of Wt.
    3. John Molten…. old neighbor of John Rogers.. Ths. Brown at Sommerton Cr. Cabbin Sw. site 1700.
    4. Witness William Collins….old neighbor on Eastern line of Wn Strickland’s Isle of Wt. Location

    Same strokes, same folks for different loc’s

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    May 27, 2013 at 9:08 am

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31. Tidbit–Note… back above in, 3 Jun 1690 John Browne (the Elder) to Rich Shewll.

    This is Richard Shewell, various spellings pronounced SHOOOwell or Suewell. He entered WS of the Chowan at Wiccocon. Seen with Richard? Malpass. I think they were in Nansemond.. I followed them a bit for search on Thomas Rogers Chowan Precinct.
    Rogers

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    June 1, 2013 at 10:00 am

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32. Reference to comments about John Rogers wife Hester and “neighborly” Mr. Dunn>

    I have in my old notes…..Oct. 10 1683 John Rogers 31 , Hester Rogers 20 of London on the roster of the ship “love” ( how appropriate)…Maybe it was a….. long voyage. Does this let my John off the hook.. Perhaps not. Still smells?? Dr. Holtzclaw did not mention this sailboat honny moon. You realize, we either do not get enough information or we get too much to dispence with.
    MIght as well add this

    Aug 21 1635 ship George John Rogers18 ………. ThomasRogers15………….Thomas Howell 20
    “persons of quality

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    June 15, 2013 at 10:59 am

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    • That makes it a totally new ballgame…if that immigration can be substantiated it is a new “player”. It would be pure circumstance that the “Hester” scandal erupted at about the same time your guys were simply moving from Surry County to Nansemond. Not only would it erase the scandal but it could explain the annoying circumstance of Dunn showing up a couple decades later “near” Kingsale where the previous Rogers families had been. This could turn out to be a laughable bit of comedy of circumstances.

      Of course there is another homework assignment…
      Oct. 10 1683 John Rogers 31 , Hester Rogers 20 of London on the roster of the ship “love”

      Prove it.

      Wasn’t there a wayward John Rogers (a runaway servant?) who headed out for the “Bay”… when exactly was that??? Sounds like a detective case?

      Sorry but I really enjoy these moments… I told you I like horse thieves and drunken uncles in genealogy.

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      anderson1951

      June 15, 2013 at 1:45 pm

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33. Once again, I think Dr. Holtsclaw ( although his wife was a Rogers) was a bit myopic in those things he looked at. BUT I am too. I seemingly joomed up into the Surry court minutes before I needed it. I was QUICKLY mired down with too much Rogers evidence. For..here were multiple John Rogers and a few Joseph’s including a Tanner. Two of these guys at least were in Bacon’s Rebellion, Therefore, I abandoned this to discover other N.C. things that would make me more productive and learn more rather than guess when I was after all such a novice. Now you are reminding me of my earlier fits when you challenge me with the same stuff….. thanks RS funny how the negative court stuff affects yoiur judgement.

    PS Maurice Rogers (lawyer) dug pretty deep even into Wales. He told me he was impressed with Dr. Holtclaw. ( the author of the part on Rogers for Boddie the author. Sounds like Hester was a beauty.
    These hog farmers did not have much experience or resistance. I might add that the family tree from William -Owen etc has several wills and names availabler. I have only John…John Etc. It is like they all had one sperm each then nada.

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    June 16, 2013 at 6:47 am

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34. I am a descendant of the Brownes mentioned here, and have been studying them for years. I came across another distant cousin who is also related and she has a wealth of info about them that helps clear things up with all the duplicate names. You two should compare notes for even more clarification. Her page is here:
    http://www.sallysfamilyplace.com/MulberryGrove/browne2.htm

    Ellen Summer

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    Ellen

    July 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm

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    • Hi Ellen
      I’ve visited Sally’s site many times over the years. I like her work. I had assumed her Dr. Brown clan was distinctly separate from the Browns I discuss but recently, and the deeper I dig, it seems the Dr. Brown folks did venture into NC and both groups get inter tangled. It all makes for a mess to figure out.
      But then it makes for fun times to even figure out a small detail that makes a puzzle piece fit. Feel free to critique… I’ve found that good genealogy almost demands a battle over proof.
      Marc

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      anderson1951

      July 28, 2013 at 7:45 pm

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35. Hey Marc,

    My Browne grandfather told us that his ancestors were a group of brothers who all came over together from England. He said the “E” was on the end of the name so they would know they were related. However,
    I have seen various spellings of the surname over the years, and his own father was married twice, with about 10 children from one wife and 11 by the other. Seems like the children from the second wife dropped the “E” to distinguish themselves from the kids of the first wife, my great grandmother.

    I know that surnames frequently show up as first or middle names, and according to some friends on a Scottish website, their naming patterns sometimes included naming a child after the minister who baptized the child. According to my mother, we are Scots-Irish but I have yet to trace a single ancestor to Scotland or Ireland. Here is a helpful website which allowed me to figure out even more kinfolk because of the names:

    http://myweb.wyoming.com/~msaban/SCTname.htm

    This is like a good mystery: following clues, no matter how slim, and eventually solving a mystery. I have subscribed to your blog now to stay updated. I must say your maps are awesome! Keep up the good work! I guess we are cousins of some sort, but have not tried to figure it out, but you possibly could. I come from the Drs Samuel and Jesse Brownes line.

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    Ellen

    July 28, 2013 at 7:59 pm

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    • For the record I’m not a Brown descendant. My interest stems from about 1733 when an Anderson married the widow of a McDaniel (McDaniel had married a Brown woman)… Tracking that one little incident got me into this quicksand pit of Brown history. 🙂 This is my most popular thread.
      I had not considered a “minister” in the naming patterns… interesting tip.

      The maps have brought my personal research to a whole new level. Like everyone else, I will create a thread of abstracts and look for clues… but as the threads grow we get lost in the details. But with the maps you get a wealth of info that simplifies things. As example, take Thomas Brown(e) 1700… he was in Nansemond… by 1704 or so he swaps some property with Wm Brown and Richard Braswell in Southampton… by 1710 he is in Bertie near Potacasi Creek… and dies there in 1719. I struggled with all that for years…. now it is simple and frees me to make connections I could not make before. Previous to defining his property on Potacasi Creek I had “convinced” myself he was located on Roanoke River near Occaneechi near William Brown. I think we all have these “preconceptions” that we have to guard against.

      https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/roanoke-r-to-chowan-1863-civil-war-map/

      I hope to start filling in that map if I can find the time…

      Samuel Brown’s property can be found here…

      

      I “think” he lived and died there in Southampton… but I have found some references of him buying/selling property some miles down into NC… perhaps it was sons… nevertheless it tangles different Brown families that have to be sorted out.

      I think a goldmine of primary sources can be found at Familysearch.org…. I frequent the site often… much of it is not indexed and is a pain to go through but I have ran across many of those little “jewels” we all look for. Perhaps some of the later Dr. Brown descendants are lurking there?

      https://familysearch.org/search

      Another great site… (these folks have recently uploaded many Isle of Wight records also to Familysearch.org))… good stuff…

      http://www.brantleyassociation.com/pages/southampton_project.htm

      I gave up on Ancestry.com years ago… it is just too commercialized and “one size fits all”… likewise general web searches usually shows a lot of nonsense… although I still do it. 🙂 Primary sources is where the truth lies.

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      anderson1951

      July 29, 2013 at 4:19 am

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36. Thank you so much! I will follow your tips.

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    Ellen

    July 29, 2013 at 9:57 am

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    • I am thinking that the last I read from you about William Brown and son Beale Brown still leaves questions unanswered. Example:
      When I first investigated William Brown and Thomas Brown,they were on the North side of the Meherrin River near together. William with a patent on 1706 and Thomas with a patent 1714?.l I presumed these to be the two brothers, William and Thomas, sons of Johin Browne. Now I am thinking the william who had a patent is the father of Beale and a different William. Who was this feller- William of early “Bertie” 1706.

      Rogers- TN

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      Benjamin Rogers Smith

      July 29, 2013 at 11:23 am

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      • The 1702 Virginia patent in IOW (now Southampton) is my strongest evidence that leads me to theorize that Thomas and William are brothers. Also involved with that patent was Richard Braswell who was the brother of the wife of William Brown. Wm sold some to Thomas then some to Braswell. If you track the numerous people involved directly with that patent it includes Daniel McDaniel (I think?) and Anthony Lewis. It all adds up (in my opinion). I have not seen where Beale Brown connects.

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        anderson1951

        July 29, 2013 at 12:48 pm
37. While I am at your site I will add to your comment about youir helpful maps. The Confederate Civil War map of 1763 is very helpful in solving many of my questions about the abstracts of Northampton ca 1723-59. While some of the land description clues are good others lead to ( as you say) preconceived ideas about locations. In my case the discription was NS of the Meherrin on the Island side, Horse Pasture Creek,high lands and low lands and the like.
    By moving to discriptions of the same properties in 1748-58 my perception changed. Then mix in this map and things started falling into place.
    Example: The road that goes NE into the intersection called Buckhorn Church is actually: the Buckhorn Baptost Curch of 1835, Como N.C. 285. It is also referred to as Hill’s Ferry Road. I now believe that Thomas Brown’s patent was about 1 milemax from there back toward Murfreesboro. Also near there are John Rogers, Joseph Durden, and William Brown’s Patent(I think).

    Most of the names associated with the patents/deeds I have research have names that came from Surry co few from Isle of Wight and a few from Nansemond 1700. The titeables record of Surry helps to identify many.
    My preconception has totally changed and now I am unraveling a lot in My Rogers/Brown search in this Meherrin area.
    The Mouson 1733 map and Colson map 1770 and the 1775 map by Henry Morgan are indispensible.
    By 1750 all of these folks in this Meherrin R. area were interconnected by roads and trails in less than a half day. THANKS!
    Rogers

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    July 29, 2013 at 11:52 am

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38. Marc, Refer to your DeedFinder map and reference to William Howell /Henry Baker. Plese note the leads in The will of Edmond Howell bn 1628 Surry co will 1679,
    Howell, Edmond: Leg To only son William Howell, godson Gibson, son of Thos. Gibson, to godson HENRY BAKER, Geo. Foster, & Thos. Ironmonger and his children 9 OCT 1679 Wit John Moring. Bk 2 p 240

    HOWELL, William to son William Howell …..he to pay Capt. William Brown etc …son Edmond…. Thomas….
    Joseph dau Joan ALSBROOKE, Eliz, FITCHETT……friends Wm. Browne and NIch. (Nicholas) Maget overseers of the will 9 May 1718 Wit Wm. Brown, Rich. Maget. Mary Heigh.

    In the Deedmaker map of Nansewmond yoiu show following moving north up the Cabbin Swamp no. of the sommerton…Jospeh Rogers 1717, 607ac; John Rogers 1700, 1700, 356 ac; William Howell, 300 ac 1700; Thomas Brown, 220, 1700; JOSEPH BAKER 217ac, 1704;

    The deeds of Northampton Co. N.C. up to 1759 show the congregation of many like minded folks from the Surry Titheabes and court records. One of the earliest of these was Thomas Brown and adjoining John Rogers(wife Mary) about 1715 on the North side of the Meherrin River near (lter called)Hills Ferry Road and Horse Pasture Creek. Many other Surry and Nansemond folks noteworthy and traceable with this address into 1760.
    To keep this short.
    NIcholas Judkin buys there in May 1752…NIcholas Maget of Southampton buys there Nich. Judkin 4 July 1758…….. prev……. thomas brown’sland..and (jos. )Dardin’s land..Other Surry families interwoven there are Figures, Waller, Holt, Washington, Wilkins, Jones, Gardner.
    Little, Skinner

    I find the association of William Brown(Capt….of Surry) with William Howell interesting. AND the Patent by William Brown at the N.S. of the meherrin site in 1706 with inheritance by Beale Brown interesting (many, many ref. to Beale Brown). I know you have had much debate about these Brown- boys. The patents by WM. brown and Thomas Brown (brother??). I am unsure of their roots but it does not change anything for my work?

    There are several references to Maget and Judkins in Surry Ththeables, Suffolk Co with the Rogers.
    Judkins-Daniel Rogers 1762 Pitt by then they had moved from Northampton Co to Pitt Co. all with the Littles.

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    August 9, 2013 at 12:34 pm

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    • The “Capt” Brown of Surry can be traced fairly well and he stays put in Surry (although he may have bought some land in Southampton). His family is not connected to the Browns of Nansemond.

      Just as some Rogers stayed put in Surry and your ancestors moved to Nansemond and then to NC.

      These families have to be separated.

      I look at it this way… I think I have proven that John Brown (the Indian Trader) was born 1639 and arrived in Virginia in 1659… by 1667 he is in Nansemond. So I am sticking with this guy and his family just to have a basis to compare other people.

      If you look at my meager notes on Beale Brown, for instance, it seems he was born around 1680 to a father William who was born perhaps 1660…. therefore his was a separate family.

      If you compare notes for the Capt. Brown of Surry you will find points to separate them from both of the above.

      What I am saying is that I find little value in seeing family names in different areas and making connections. I find most of it just a coincidence. Many of the folks may not even be cousins.

      Until you have a “provable” fact to hang your hat on all you have is a theory.

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      anderson1951

      August 10, 2013 at 3:40 am

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39. A new reply to an old comment: Refer to your remark about the death of Thomas Brown about 1718 south of the Meherrin showing his place of reference south of rather than N. of the Meherrin..As you know ,Thomas had about 540 acres on the north side and a lot below.

    You are right ,of course about the Indian path remark.. The Meherrin indian villiage waa approx. on and below the Potecasi. there was probably an indian path there at the new Hills Ferry location. Probbly a fording place.. Other deeds near the Potecasi and below have “old Indian Path” as a discription. I’ll bet Thoams could trade with the indians!

    RS

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    Benjamin Rogers Smith

    September 16, 2013 at 8:57 am

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40. I have not had the chance to read the entire article yet, but I noticed right off the bat some very similar names in my family tree. You mention the 1673…witnesses deed of gift of Hodges Council. In my family there is a Josehph Vick married to a Lucy Council and Lucy as the daugher born 1681 – 1736 . That is the year the deed was made from what I read. This is on our Selph/Ellis/Vick side and there are also many John Browns, John Brown Jr’s. on the Ellis/Brown/Hicks side, which are connected by marriage. Including several Capt. Browns, whom have lived in Tenn, NC. however I cannot figure out if these are all the same John Browns you are speaking of, but it is very similar so far. There is also a Charlotte Hicks whom is like a ghost. I have read about Chief Brown and Chief Hicks, and was wondering if there is a link to our family There is much rumor in our family of having Cherokee blood through this side of the family. Some family members deny it, and some say it is so. Would be great to know exactly who these people were, and the truth. If anyone can help me figure it out, I will gladly provide any knowledge I have of these people, to help.

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    jason

    October 14, 2014 at 3:48 pm

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    • I have never looked into the lower Norfolk reference. Ref. N.C. Executive Council minutes 1707. You have these references. John Browne came to America in 1659. and was abt 68 in this 1707 deposition. A separate court record show Thomas Brown born abt 1659. (his friend John Rogers was born abt 1660. another fact is that when William Brown assigned part of his land in 1702 his brother Thomas Brown he was living in Nansemond near Sommerton Cr , This was essentially next to John Rogers Jr. and Sr. and the William Howell patent. Joseph Vicks lived next door to the John Rogers property in Isle of wight Beaverdam sw. (just so. of corrowaugh Sw.)

      The 1702 alnd transfer also showed Thomas Brown being in Nansemond. This was good proof of his identity at the sommerton location. Hodges coiuncil was also physicalloyi6 close to the Rogers.

      I thought looking at these dates would cast a light on the Norfolk reference.

      Rogers Smith

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      ROGERS & BONNIE SMITH

      October 15, 2014 at 2:51 pm

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      • I have just stumbled upon all this and the Brown/Browne’s recently so I am still trying to figure out the puzzle. However all these names seem to match up with my family tree. I cannot find the Thomas Brown born 1659 you mention. If John Browne was 68 in 1707, that would make him born in 1639. Hmmm… So, Thomas Browne living in Nansemond, would make him living with the Nansemond Indians??? I have also heard of William Thomas Brown to add to the confusion. I dunno maybe some have the dates for these people wrong in my tree. I did find a supposed Chief Brown also known as Red Feather born 1705-1769 married to Eleanor Stubblefield 1710-1760. He was the son of William Browne, 1672-1718. Maybe that is the William Brown you mention? Maybe he was a Willilam Thomas Browne? Thanks for the reply!

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        jason

        October 18, 2014 at 7:34 pm
      • Guys

        Keep in mind that this is a theory… I am confident of my tracking of John Browne “the Indian trader”… however I have found no smoking gun proof to tie William and Thomas as his sons. The circumstantial info just leads me to that hunch. I’m still looking for some hard evidence to tie these folks together.

        Marc Anderson

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        anderson1951

        October 19, 2014 at 5:27 am
41. I have wondered for a long time if perhaps John Browne, the Indian trader, might have had an Indian wife. No proof at all, and in fact I have never heard that our Browne family had Indian blood. More wishful thinking, I guess, than anything else, because I have been drawn to those peoples. I once met at a Highland Games the chief of a Scottish clan who was also the chief of an Indian tribe. He was wearing both his kilt and full highland dress with his long feathered headdress at the same time and was quite a sight to see. Many of the Celtic peoples intermarried with the local native women here.

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    elenalareina

    October 19, 2014 at 8:27 am

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    • Well, there were several John Browns who became Cherokee Chiefs. One is a descendant of John Browne 1650-1726’s and Mary Boddie’s Son William Brown 1672-1718, they had a Son named James whom married a Christian Maule. James is supposed to have been a Chief called Red Feather Maghpiway Browne 1705-1769. Daughter is Sarah Nancy Yellow Bird Brown, 1730-1777. Like I mentioned I am just learning about all this, I was also unaware that there may be Native American blood on this side of the family. I was actually researching another family member when I started seeing familiar names from the Brown side of the family. There is also a Brown’s Tavern owned by a Cherokee Named John Brown in Tennessee. Look up the Muster Roll for the Battle of Horeshoe bend. There are 119 John Brown’s on the list. Apparently, everyone wanted to be called John Brown. It does not make for easy research though. http://www.nps.gov/hobe/upload/cherokee.pdf

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      jason

      October 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm

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      • I know that Christian Maule and believe that Mary Boddie are my ancestors. That would be really cool to discover we actually DID have native American blood!

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        elenalareina

        October 19, 2014 at 1:34 pm
    • Here’s the rub. Hathaways registry shows a Bertie Co. Thomas Brown to be the son of Dr. Thomas Brown. I can believe this is a true statement. But is it the same one that was a brother to William? Thomas Brown’s patent , as you know also went south of the Meherrin near Bells Branch, N. S. Potecasi Cr, and south side of Potecasi Cr. It seems to have also extended all the way to Dr. Brown,s Patent on the Cattawhiskey Cr.

      There is some merit to both. l But IF the comment in Hatheway’s is an error then…. Worth Ray did a lot of work on Hathways. He states there are many errors in this work.

      RS

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      ROGERS & BONNIE SMITH

      October 21, 2014 at 10:41 am

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42. Here is some info. I found on John Brown born 1793 who married a Nancy Brown. He became the Principal Chief of the Western Cherokee. He is supposed to be son of Col. Richard Brown, whom was son of a John Brown Sr. Hope that helps. Apparently there are alot of Cherokee John Browns, and a couple of Chiefs to boot. http://familyhistory.willowrise.com/john-brown-1793/

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    jason

    October 19, 2014 at 1:28 pm

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43. Very interesting! I sure would like to make the family connections. BTW, the Scottish clan chief who was also a native American tribal chief was Chief Dowd MacIntosh, who was chief of Clan MacIntosh and also one of the Cherokee tribes. I had a picture of him in his full regalia as I had met him at the Stone Mountain Highland Games. He spilled his Scotch whisky on me 🙂

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    elenalareina

    October 19, 2014 at 1:51 pm

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44. I was listening to A Crowd of Strangers: Emigration into Alabama after the Creek War, on You Tube and it mentions a wealthy half breed Creek named William MacIntosh. He was actually executed by the Creek, because he would not quit selling their land. I read that the Scottish and Indians got along well, because the Clan system and the Tribal system were so similar.

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    jason

    October 19, 2014 at 2:07 pm

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45. Thomas Browne married Christian Maule.

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    Danny

    October 19, 2014 at 2:24 pm

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46. Thomas was born about 1675 and died in 1718 when he was only 43 years of age.
    On the first day of April, 1718, Thomas Browne made his will. At that time he says he was “very sick and weak in body but of perfect mind and memory.” This was probably literally true as he was unable to sign his name to the instrument. In October he was dead. His will was probated in Chowan County where he lived October 21, 1718.
    In the will he names his wife Christian and sons Thomas, William, John, Howell, Edward and James and one daughter, Sarah Brown McDaniel.
    “To Christian, my dear and beloved wife” he gave the “plantation whereon I do now live, beginning at the corner tree above the………….” (The rest is missing. This information is from a book Brown (Browne) and Their Descendants in Carolina Today written by J. Parsons Brown 1965. I received a few pages from the book from Mrs Hoyt Lennon in 1992)[desc Thomas Brown.FTW]

    [Brøderbund WFT Vol. 8, Ed. 1, Tree #1790, Date of Import: Nov 19, 2004]

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    Danny

    October 19, 2014 at 2:31 pm

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47. Ha, just noticed someone in had a duplicate Thomas Browne and a William Browne in my family tree, both with the same birth and death dates. So, they are the same. So, his name is probably William Thomas Browne or Thomas William Brown. They have his First wife as Christian Maule, who is supposed to be the father of Chief James Red Feather Brown. Then a second marriage to Martha Gray. Was he married to a Martha Gray previous to Christian? I descend according to one of the Ancestry trees through his son John Browne, 1700-1750. Was he a son to Christian Maule or Martha Gray?

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    jason

    October 19, 2014 at 2:46 pm

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48. I need a copy of that book to fill in some of the missing blanks in my Browne family. I came across all the Johns and Thomases years ago, and also have Dr. Jesse Browne who lived near these, but also had the name Christian Maule and so many of her family names. Back then families intermarried a lot. I guess they didn’t have a whole lot to choose from 🙂
    So this does not really jibe with the other info about the Indian wife. I doubt Christian was Cherokee with that name, but could be. Any more info is very welcome.

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    elenalareina

    October 19, 2014 at 2:48 pm

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49. Yeah, but John Brown does not sound to be much of Indian name either, however there are alot of Cherokee John Browns, including one of their First Principals Chiefs, when they were removed to Oklahoma. Maybe their son married into the tribe and took a wife. It was common practice for Indian Traders and Mountain Men to have Native Wives, often in addition to their white wives.

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    jason

    October 19, 2014 at 2:58 pm

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50. Here is some info. on a John Brown Indian Trader I found. http://rickeybutchwalker.blogspot.com/2012/12/otali-mountain.html

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    jason

    October 19, 2014 at 3:34 pm

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51. Here is a puzzle piece, that I am not sure if this will help anyone or not. There is a William Brown born approx. 1670 Virginia, had a son who is referred to as Alexander William Brown or (vica versa not sure yet), 1710-1775. He has a son, Alexander William Brown the 2nd 1737-1820, married Naky Sarah Canoe a Cherokee. 1750-1780. I have read the name “Naky” in Cherokee can mean “Nancy”. The following was on Ancestry.com. I am not sure if some would call one William and the other Alexander??? Anyway, here is a puzzle piece, not sure if it fits or not.

    Alexander Brown , son of William Brown and Ann , was born about 1710 in Chesterfield County, Virginia and died in 1775 in Prince Edward Co, Virginia, about age 65.
    Alexander Brown owned 200 acres on Misole Creek in Chesterfield County, Virginia. He sold it to his brother George on 15 May 1764. (See: Chesterfield Court Order Book No. 3, 1759-1767)
    In September 1764 he bought some 200 acres in Amelia County. According to the Amelia County Deed Book II (pgs. 68-69), on 17 February 1769, he sold to John Ogleby the 200 acres he had purchased in 1764.
    On 18 February 1769 he bought 422 acres on Little Briery River in Prince Edward County, Virginia. (Prince Edward County Deed Book 3, 1765-1771)

    On May 16, 1774 Alexander purchased “one certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the county of Prince Edward between Bush and Bryer river.”
    Alexander wrote his will on 29 Sep 1775 and it is recorded in Prince Edward County, Virginia. It was presented for probate at the November court 1775.
    Alexander married Mary Rudd , daughter of John Rudd and Avis Whitaker , about 1744 in Chesterfield County, Virginia. Mary was born about 1710 in Chesterfield County, Virginia

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    jason

    October 19, 2014 at 3:46 pm

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52. All very interesting! Now if we could just make sense of it all!

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    elenalareina

    October 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm

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53. I agree. My brain is tired. Too many John Browns!!! Guess it could be worse they could be John Smiths.

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    jason

    October 19, 2014 at 5:20 pm

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    • I think that the wife of Thomas Browne was a daughter of HOWELL from Nansemond… they had property nearby. In support of the theory I offer the fact of a son named Howell.

      My study of William Maule is here:

      https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/ttt-william-maul-thomas-browne-m-christian-maule/

      Marc

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      anderson1951

      October 20, 2014 at 3:53 am

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    • This may not make you feel better, but I read in a Scots genealogy book that Brown is the most common surname (in all its forms) in the world, one reason being that renegades with dangerous names would take on Brown for safety reasons. So maybe John Brown is as “worse” as it gets. BTW, I’m a Brown (not Browne) descendant feeling fairly confident tracing back to 1765. Tracing back further gets me to the conundrum you mention above with “Chief” Alexander Brown married to Naky Sarah Tatsi. Maybe a rabbit trail for you all but thanks for posting your research and speculations including possibly my family line which is all very helpful in many ways.

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      Scott

      December 4, 2019 at 10:29 am

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54. Hi Marc, Here is what I have found on Ancestry in reference to Thomas Browne and the Howell name. According to several Ancestry.com family tree’s there are two Howell Brown’s. The first is said to be the son of Thomas William Brown 1672-1718 and Christian Maule. Their son Howell Brown 1710-1780 married Jane Hart 1718-1761. They had a son named William Howell Brown 1749-1822 that married a Ester Randall. I will put the will of Thomas William Brown 1672-1718 down in new post. Also, I cannot figure out who this Martha Gray is. Is she married to Thomas William Brown or not? From what I am reading some people have her married to This Thomas William Brown, and then Thomas marries Christian Maule. Here is a little article that mentions. Mrs. Gray. William Brown calls “William Boon” his brother. 1718: William Browne in his will bequeaths 100 acres to my “brother William Boon”. Martha Gray Brown, widow of William Browne, deeded Thomas Boon 380 acres, part of a patient to William Boon, Nov. 29, 17–[Hath. 12-457] Thomas Boon sold to William Boon 520 acres s. side Meherrin River, July 15, 1721 [Chowan Bk. C no. 1-617].

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    jason

    October 20, 2014 at 11:31 am

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55. William Brown, Will 1718

    Name: William Browne
    Sex: M
    Name: William X Brown
    Birth: ABT 1672 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia
    Birth: ABT 1675
    Death: 1719 in Albermarle County, North Carolina
    Note:
    1702: Quite Rents in Isle of Wight were John Browne 100 acres and William Browne 100 acres. John Browne and Mary, his wife sold 500 acres of his 600 acre patent in 1688 which would leave him 100 acres and William Browne, his son, and wife Martha, who patented 156 acres in 1702 only sold 85 acres of this patient.
    1703: William Browne, son of Mary (Boddie) and John Browne, in October 1703, with wife, Martha, deeded Richard Braswell Jr. 35 acres, part of a patent granted William Browne Oct. 26, 1702 (ante) land on south side of Blackwater in Isle of Wight. Wits: Thomas Mandue, Wm. Braswell (Bk. 1-401). On April 20, 1714, William Brown of Chowan Precinct, planter, and Martha, his wife, deeded Matthew Buskin 140 acres in Chowan on west side of Meherrin River, part of a greater tract of 160 acres purchased by Will Brown (D. B. 1-201). He deeded 120 acres July 12, 1718, on South side Morottock River to Wm. Jones, and on July 13, 1718, sold to Arthur Davis 640 acres patented by him on south side Morrotock River (Chowan Bk. B-598-613). At the end of the last deed is the following. “At a Court House at Queen Annes the third Tuesday in July 1720, Martha Murphy, formerly Martha Brown, acknowledged her right of dower to the above mentioned land sold by her former husband William Brown to Arthur Davis”. (Id-616)

    1703: On October 11, 1703 William Browne and wife Martha for divers good causes and consideration deeded Thomas Brown of Nasemond 50 acres in Isle of Wight, part of a patient of 156 acres to William Brown on October 26, 1702, on the south side of Black water Swamp. [Pat. Bk. 9-283; D>B> 1-401].

    1718: William Browne in his will bequeaths 100 acres to my “brother William Boon”. Martha Gray Brown, widow of William Browne, deeded Thomas Boon 380 acres, part of a patient to William Boon, Nov. 29, 17–[Hath. 12-457] Thomas Boon sold to William Boon 520 acres s. side Meherrin River, July 15, 1721 [Chowan Bk. C no. 1-617].

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    William Browne made his will Dec. 15, 1718,

    “In the name of God Amen, this 15th day of December in the year of our Lord God 1718- 1 said William Brown in ye county of Albermarle in ye province of North Carolina, am sick and week

    I bequeath to my Lawful wife my bed and furniture and my horse Tobe and a horse Cate.

    I bequeath my eldest son John ye Manner Plantation and one hundred and fifty acres of land;

    to my son Thomas, one hundred and fifty acres of land joyning to his brother John;

    to my son Jacob one hundred and fifty acres of land up Cyprus gritt joying upon his brother Thomas;

    to my daughter Ann one hundred and fifty acres of land lying upon the head of her brother John;

    to John Carver fifty acres of land and ye place which his father was kild lying between two branches;

    to my daughter Martha nine hundred and fifty acres of land joining upon Carver;

    to my daughter Mary one hundred and fifty acres of land between Martha and ye head line;

    to my daughter Sarah one hundred and fifty acres of land and ye southmost fork. The remaining part of ye land I leave holy and truly to my sonnes disposing. My hold desire is for my wife to have ye remaining part of my estate to be equally divided between her and my seven children excepting one hundred acres of land to William Boon a brother.

    I do make and desire choice of Thomas Manders and my wife as executors. All children under age. Wits: Thomas Manders, Thomas Smith, Martha Brown. Recorded July 21, 1719. (North Carolina Wills – S. S. 341, p. 84, Historical Commission, Raleigh, N. C – )

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    jason

    October 20, 2014 at 11:32 am

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56. Perhaps William Boon was a step-brother, possibly by his mother’s second marriage, or a marriage she had before marrying his father. Another possibility is he was a brother-in-law. I am pretty sure this is the same William Browne who is my own great+ grandfather. They used the same names over and over, which is so confusing.

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    elenalareina

    October 20, 2014 at 12:03 pm

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    • The wife of the early William Boon seems to be a sister of William Browne… per this will:

      Will of William Brown 15 Dec 1718 – recorded 21 July 1719 [SS 341 p 84 NC wills]

      In the name of God Amen, this 15th day of December in the year of our Lord God 1718 – I William Brown in ye county of Albermarle in ye province of North Carolina, am sick and week . . .

      I bequeath to my Lawful wife my bed and furniture and my horse Tobe and a horse Cate.

      I bequeath to my eldest son John ye Manner Plantation and one hundred and fifty acres of land;

      to my son Thomas one hundred and fifty acres of land joyning to his brother John;

      to my son Jacob one hundred and fifty acres of land up Cyprus gritt joying upon his brother Thomas;

      to my daughter Ann one hundred and fifty acres of land lying upon the head of her brother John;

      to John Carver fifty acres of land and ye place which his father was kild lying between two branches;

      to my daughter Martha one hundred and fifty acres of land joining upon Carver;

      to my daughter Mary one hundred and fifty acres of land between Martha and ye head line;

      to my daughter Sarah one hundred and fifty acres of land and ye southmost fork.

      The remaining part of ye land I leave holy and truly to my sonnes disposing. My hold desire is for my wife to have ye remaining part of my estate to be equally divided between her and my seven children excepting one hundred acres of land to William Boon a brother.

      I do make and desire choice of Thomas Manders and my wife as executors. All children under age.

      Wits: Thomas Manders [Mandue], Thomas Smith, Martha Brown.

      William Browne married Martha Brasswell, daughter of Richard Bracewell d.1725 in IOW. (She remarried to William Murphy) Since no daughter Elizabeth is mentioned in his will, I assume she was a sister to Browne.

      My reasoning is here:

      https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/mathew-strickland-thomas-boon-iow/

      I think that Braswell researchers have came to the same conclusion (various sites online).

      Marc

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      anderson1951

      October 20, 2014 at 4:14 pm

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57. Marc, I am starting to get really confused :0 Here is a link that I found that may be of use to you. Hopefully, we can figure this out. Maybe you can figure all this better than I. I did see a will, that actually mentioned a Christian in the Will. Maybe he had more than one wife??? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/STRICKLAND/2013-09/1380420752

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    jason

    October 20, 2014 at 5:09 pm

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58. Also, here is another John Brown. I found in North Carolina. ” his father was also known as John Brown, a white trader to the Chickasaws during the mid 1750’s. The older John Brown married a full blood Cherokee woman; he traded with the Chickasaws along with James Adair. John Brown was a pack horseman for the Cherokee traders, and later a Chickasaw trader and partner of Jerome Courtonne in the Chickasaw Breed Camp on the Coosa River; Chickasaw warriors would meet the pack trains coming from Charleston, and escort them to the Chickasaw towns to the west. His sister married Oconostota, a famous Cherokee Indian known as the Beloved Warrior of Great Tellico.” His father was a white Indian Trader, with the last name of Brown. Captain John Brown was half Cherokee Indian and was also known as Yonaguska which translates to “Drowning Bear, born 1760?-1839. http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/commentary/120/entry

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    jason

    October 20, 2014 at 5:19 pm

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59. Here is a Thomas Brown with known Indian Trader/Author James Adair who lived among the Cherokee and wrote books about them, and I think he has Cherokee children. Same family? If there are Browns associated with James Adair, there may be some, information though research this info. Not sure, but my mind is tired and it will have to be for another day. I am doing this while I work and man it will make your head spin. Too many John Browns in NC and vicinity!
    http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ADAIR/2005-07/1121908917

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    jason

    October 20, 2014 at 5:30 pm

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    • Jason

      Just because it is an established fact that John Browne was an Indian Trader in his early days does not carry over to his descendants or his mature older life or profession… think about it… who knows?

      I am still trying to prove my theory that he had sons:
      William
      Thomas
      and a daughter:
      Elizabeth

      You are farting in the wind with the Adair stuff… (no offense meant) It is a generation or three further down the line.. IF it is the same line.

      Marc

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      anderson1951

      October 21, 2014 at 6:33 pm

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60. ID: I17227
    •_UID: 60F297A52F764E85AA33A0DE1BE3800FEEBF
    •Name: WILLIAM BODDIE 1
    •Sex: M
    •Birth: 1633 in FRYERNING, ESSEX, ENGLAND
    •Death: BEF 25 FEB 1718 in ISLE OF WIGHT CO VA
    •Religion: QUAKER CIRCA 1672
    •Note:

    The will of William Bodie dated Dec 17 1712 named legatees: grandsons, William and Thomas Brown and their sisters; daughter Elizabeth Mathews; son John; my now wife Mary. Executor, son John. Witnesses: John Jones, Joseph Chapman,& H. Lightfoot. Recorded: Feb 25 1718.

    William Boddie descended from a line of merchant mariners. He was born in Fryerning Essex in 1633 but moved with his mother to St. Botolph’s Aldgate in London’s east end soon after his father’s death in 1640. William’s mother married John Wallhead in St. Botolph’s Aldgate in 1641, William’s eighth year. It appears that William remained in London for the following two decades until he appeared in Virginia records in 1661 at the age of 28 as the grantee of 550 acres. One of his headrights, James Hall, appears to have earlier been the headright of Sylvester Thacker in 1650. Subsequently, in 1665, William received a grant of 2800 additional acres for the transportation of 56 persons. Among these was Jonathan Browne (later to become William’s son-in-law), for two transportations. John Bennett Boddie writes that John Browne had earlier been in Virginia, hadreturned to London, and then came back across with the Boddie family perhaps as early as 1662, subsequently appearing as a headright in the 1665 land patent. It is to be noted that John Browne, Shipwright, was also a headright of Captain Anthony Fulgham in 1664 and was his nearby neighbor on Pagan’s shore. On 23 Nov 1675 Robert Smyth, Mariner, paid John Browne, Shipwright, 10,000 lbs. of tobacco for the hull of a new Bark lately built called “Isabella” of 40 tons then riding at Pagan Creek. Robert Smyth, here listed, appears to have been a Robt.Smyth, Sr., and was noted in John Fulgham’s quit claim deed to Anthony Fulgham in 1669 as being his deceased father, Capt.Anthony’s, tenant on Pagan’s shore. Isle of Wight County records document that the bark Isabella, belonging the Robert Smyth, aged about 22 years, was pressed into his Majesties service 9 April 1677 (during Bacon’s Rebellion) and was cast away. This Robt. Smyth, Jr. may have been the Robt. Smyth christened in St. Botolph’s Aldgate 27 May 1655. On 12 July 1665 John Marshall received a grant of 700 acres next to Capt. Anthony Fulgham’s grant and six of his headrights were assigned to him by William Boddie who, on that same day, was granted 3350 acres lying next to Fulgham’s and Marshall’s grants. John Bennett Boddie writes that it may be that these three persons joined in bringing over a colony. Certainly, the interconnections between the Boddies of St. Botolph’s Aldgate (SBA), the Shipwright Brownes, the Mariner Smyths (perhaps of SBA), and the Fulghams suggest interesting possibilities concerning their origins in London’s east end. William Boddie was married three times. His first wife, who came over with him, was named Anna, last name unknown. She appears to have died about 1683. He married secondly, Elizabeth, last name unknown, who signed his deeds from 1697 and was the mother of two other children, John and Elizabeth. His third wife was Mary Griffin, widow of Owen Griffin and daughter of William Hunt, by whom he had no children. Her first husband was Robert Edwards. Robert Edwards was the headright of Capt. Anthony Fulgham both in 1664 and 1665. Mary (Hunt)(Edwards)(Griffin) Boddie survived him by 15 years and lived until 1732.

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    Danny

    October 20, 2014 at 7:49 pm

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    • Danny

      In 1665 William Boddie listed one Jno. Browne, twice as a headright. Also in the list was one Wm. Browne.

      That is a provable fact .

      In your quote above you state:

      “Subsequently, in 1665, William received a grant of 2800 additional acres for the transportation of 56 persons. Among these was Jonathan Browne (later to become William’s son-in-law)”

      How do you know that it was the same man who ‘later became his son in law’? (Other than the hyperventilations of J.B. Boddie). The immigrant Wm. Boddie was notorious for dealing in “the servant trade”.

      I refer to the “genealogist” John Bennet Boddie often but he has been proven wrong on many occasions.

      The mere fact that William Boddie mentions two grandsons named William and Thomas Brown is simply one fact we have to calculate to figure out the mystery.
      ====================

      My pages are littered with assumptions where I reveal my thoughts… but I usually leave the caveat that I am playing with a theory. I have that leisure because I am not making a dime off of my thoughts… I have nothing to lose but my credibility. I do this for a pure search for the truth.

      Our differences of opinion are fruitless until more hard facts come to light… the Familysearch.org site is slowly digitizing the early records of Isle of Wight (which may reveal some Nansemond records) … that is where we will find the proof. All this is meant with respect of your opinions because when a man presents his theories he has to be prepared to defend them. I thank you for your hard assed, hard headed, fist slamming defense of your theory… its what keeps us all interested. But… I think you are wrong.

      Marc

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      anderson1951

      October 21, 2014 at 5:55 pm

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61. Thanks for the confidence ;), but I am not trying to be hard headed. Just presenting some findings, and information I have seen regarding many Brown/Brownes. I understand where you are coming from, but even if these men, that are further down the line as you say, are identified by family members that are alive, who could have these Brown’s in their tree’s, that just equals more information, records, and/or proof. It could help figure out more information and shed more light for everyone involved. Making it worth it. You do not know all the facts either right? Basically, people alive today, may remember those more close family, than those from long ago, maybe that is a grandma and/or grandpa they recall, or they have some record, we do not. Anyhow, just trying to figure out the truth as you are. I have no intention of misleading anyone period. I agree that some things maybe be fruitless, until more evidence and comes out as well. Like I mentioned, I just started my search and stumbled on this site, in search of Browne/Brown family history. I hope it helps you in your research, and if you can figure this out better then I can, and I applaud your efforts. Not to mention your efforts so far. I appreciate your site, and information. Always, keep in mind though, there are many Native American’s with the John Brown, James, William, etc , and from that same time frame. I would like to know the correct truth as well. Funny there is a William Brown, James Brown, John Brown, and about 119 Cherokee who claim the name John Brown in addition to their Cherokee names on the Muster Role for Horseshoe Bend in 1814. So, the Brown name was pretty prominent, with the Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw, and Choctaw, on both sides of that war. Let’s figure out the truth http://www.nps.gov/hobe/upload/cherokee.pdf

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    jason

    October 21, 2014 at 7:21 pm

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62. Agreed on all points and no offense ever taken. The web everyone is creating keeps me close to the facts I am aware of until proven wrong. Here’s a another part Of the web. During exchanges over the last few years with those DNA matches I have I ran across 2 “stories” that captured my interest. First. There is a deed between Browne and Maule over the course Of a few years switched the same property on the property lines several times. Which depicts neighboring lands. I have the map and pulling out archives to share. So that one if proven shows Maule family (might not be the Military Maule) and Browne connection. Second multiple researchers denote specific examples in their family histories where Fulgham families Boddies and Browne families were close in UK and continued those friendships in the US which makes sense. Remember though the first thoughts are that our Browne was likely indentured as a shipright trade. Looking for the plots where they all lived. Quaker lives are also in the mix. Sorry for bowl of candy but that’s what’s keeping me close to home/beliefs until proven otherwise.

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    Danny

    October 21, 2014 at 7:28 pm

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    • Ah good… it is safe to kid around… I much prefer the lighter side.
      The Maule question is interesting and just won’t go away. Thomas Browne died 1718/19 and left the widow Christian. William Maule died 1726 and left a widow Penelope and daughter of the same name. So between 1719 and 1726 Maule supposedly married Christian? I don’t see it. There is a deed where Maule deals some property to 2 Browne children which is what I suspect has led to the “Christian Maule” fiasco. I am interested in your references… seems I haven’t ran across them yet.

      the deed I mentioned…

      William Maule, to Christian Brown, widow. Behalf of her two sons John and Edward Brown, upper half of 320 acres at Petacause Swamp; September 16, 1719. Test, Wm. Dowers, Thos. Jones. Hathaway, Vol I, pg 105

      ==========================
      Some observations on the Maules from a historian:

      http://bcbrooks.blogspot.com/2013/02/william-maule-surveyor-general-of-north.html

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      anderson1951

      October 22, 2014 at 6:08 am

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63. I wonder if they intentionally made it confusing, because of the crackdowns on illegal trade with the Indians. Maybe to throw the regulators off? I read that Maule was considered a shady character by some. If this was the case then, the truth may be never found. I hope it is, because this is very interesting as it is confusing, and I have Brown’s from this time frame and area on both my maternal and paternal sides of my family. Much of my family has been here since the 1600’s, most in NC area and Tenn. I found a link to some different Indian Trade companies on the web that maybe someone could find of some use. http://www.tngenweb.org/tnfirst/traders.html

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    jason

    October 22, 2014 at 7:30 am

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    • Jason
      Don’t look for any quick easy answers …(according to my father… in a side remark I remember as a young kid, he said we (meaning ME) we may have some Shoshone blood) … it does not add up.

      I know for a FACT that my great GGF Moses Anderson b.1849 d.1931 moved from Tenn. to Comanche TX. and got there in 1889… hence my grandfather and my dad.

      I have green eyes… according to what I have heard NO Indians have green eyes… enlighten me.

      Not to be a jerk with my question… it is just all very perplexing.

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      anderson1951

      October 23, 2014 at 8:22 pm

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      • Well, I do not know about all of your ancestry, nor mine yet. I will more than likely never ever know all of it. However, if you are mixed blood your eyes can still be blue, green, brown, etc. That would not mean that you do not have Native blood. I am also Not saying that it is a fact that these Browns intermarried, but many with these “Brown” names in this area did and were indian traders, thus all the Browns you will find from this area that are mixed blood Browns. Don’t ever forget many Indian traders and mountain men took on Indian wives in addition to their other families. That is a fact. Take a man named James “Chief Red Feather Maghpiway” Lenape Brown (1705-1769), he is supposed to be the son of William Brown and Christian Maule. Do I know the truth behind this? No, I do not. Maybe he was adopted? Maybe there is a mix up? Maybe it is true, or maybe not? However, there are many family trees that have this. He also had at least one child, known as Yellow Bird Brown. Anyway, I do not know, and that is why I am here. Trying to figure these things out.

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        jason

        October 24, 2014 at 7:00 am
64. SI do not have anything in my file that woulld shed light on these questions. n RS

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    Rogers Smith

    October 23, 2014 at 9:35 am

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65. I also totally agree, there are not any quick easy answers.

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    jason

    October 24, 2014 at 7:11 am

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66. Hi, I have found a couple of bits of info. on Christian “Maule” that might help. I found these on Ancestry.com. I have also seen where there is a Howell that is mentioned as possible husband of Thomas Brown like Benjamin mentioned, instead of Christian Maule. Also, I ran into two Mary Boddies in my family tree as well. It is noted on find a grave that she was married twice, First to a William Joyner, and next to John Browne.

    This 1st. clue mentions William Maule as a Gentleman to Christian Brown. Not sure why it would call her father a Gentleman to her?
    Deed Book W #1, Chowan County, NC
    #393 pg. 191 William Maule of Chowan Prect., Gentleman to Christian Brown of the place aforesd., Widow, in behalf of her two sons John Brown and Edward Brown 16 Sept. 1719 consideration (not given) 1/2 of ye tract of land surveyed for Thomas Brown and Robert Patterson on the south side of Potasise containing 320 acres. Wit.: William Dowers, Thomas Jones Reg.(not given)

    2nd clue by a member of Ancestry states: I have changed the relationship of Col. William Maule from father to brother of Christian Maule. In the “History of North Carolina Vol. I From 1584-1783” by Samuel A’Court Ashe published in 1925 there are references to Capt. and Col. William Maule. In 1711 he was a Captain in the militia and participated in the Tuscarora War. In 1713 he was Surveyor General. There are several pages about Capt. and Col. Maule at http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/master_index.html In 1722 he was a Justice of the Peace and Judge of the Admiralty in 1724 and a member of the NC General Assembly in 1725. In a letter to John Lawson in 1710, Col. Thomas Pollock refers to Mr. William Maule as a young gentleman and capable surveyor. He was too young to be the father of Christian Maule. My opinion, thechaplady150
    .
    Hope this helps!

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    Jason

    January 1, 2015 at 2:21 pm

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    • To note, I have both William Joyner and John Browne married to Mary Boddie in my family tree, along with a whole host of other names mentioned in this article. Every time I do a web search on the names in my family tree this webpage pops up 😉

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      Jason

      January 1, 2015 at 2:23 pm

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    • Meant wife of Thomas Brown not husband: “I have also seen where there is a Howell that is mentioned as possible husband of Thomas Brown like Benjamin mentioned, instead of Christian Maule”

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      Jason

      January 1, 2015 at 2:41 pm

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      • Hi Jason

        See here:

        https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/ttt-william-maul-thomas-browne-m-christian-maule/

        I really want to put this myth to rest… 🙂

        I think you and I are on the same page.

        Marc

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        anderson1951

        January 1, 2015 at 2:49 pm
67. HI Marc,
    I just read it, and it does seem very plausible. I was looking down my line and noticed that there are others in the family tree that name one of their children with the last name of the maternal side ie Howell Brown. For example, I have a John Brown jr. born 1746-1805 married Tamer Thompson, one of their children is named Thompson Brown. There are several others in my tree from this time frame and location, that do the same. Not saying all do this, but there were many and it seems like common practice. We also have surnames Ellis and Hicks marrying into this Brown line from this area, and one of their children is named Hicks Ellis as well. You have an R. Hicks noted as a court clerk, I would think that may be a Robert Hicks in my tree. It is really interesting all the names that I keep finding in your great documentation. I have also read rumors of polygamy in this family, which could add to the difficulty in figuring this out. You also note the possible polygamy below.

    On Aug. 6, 1726,

    Richard Jackson to Barnabe Mackinnie, Jr, 160 pds for 100 acres, part of a

    tract formerly granted to John Brown for 525 acres on March 3, 1721.

    Transferred to Jackson by Brown and Wife Mary. On SS Marattuck River

    adjoining William Strickland , Joseph Joiner & Spring Branch. Wit: Barn.

    Mackinne, Jurant, John Mackinne. Bertie County, Aug. 6, 1726, Deed Book B,

    Page 165. (August Court 1726)

    He appears to be a bit of a polygamist…

    https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/john-browne-of-kingsale-1639-1713-indian-trader/

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    Jason

    January 2, 2015 at 11:17 am

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68. Hi,
    I have been trying to sort out “My” John Brown Indian Trader line for 20+ years as well.Last year I found a few “new” clues in records the Mormon Church had stored away.The records were left by my 4th Great Grandmother Susan McCurley- Younger b.1807 in Barren/Allen KY.Some of the records came from her Husband and some were from her oldest Daughter Mary Jane Younger b.1825 TN. Maybe some of this will ring a few bells with some of you.

    During the years 1842-1846.Susan was living in Nauvoo,Illinois and was Baptized several times for her deceased relatives.They called it “Proxy Baptism for the Dead”She and her Husband Joseph Younger had become Mormons in the early 1830’s. As she was being Baptized in the Missouri River, a clerk kept a record of each person she was the Proxy being Baptized for,she gave the information to the clerk herself as she went into the River… ( I will list them in a just minute ) Now here it gets confusing

    Susan’s Mother was Nancy Brown b.1782 in NC . Older relatives said in records that Nancy Brown was the Daughter of Maj. James Brown born 1757 with wife “Jincy” ( Jincy was Chickasaw Indian ) and that Maj.James Brown -who was the son of a “halfbreed” Cherokee named John Brown,and this John Brown- his Father, was the son of another John Brown who was an Indian Trader.They lived North Carolina and Tennessee in the early years.

    * The BIG “New Clue” from the records was the name JONAS BROWN with a “wife” named “Susie”
    Susan McCurley-Younger said that Jonas Brown and Susie were Grandparents ! It does not say they were Nancy Brown’s Parents ,it just said they were Grandparents. ..Here are some of the records.

    Baptized in the Missouri River in Nauvoo,Illinois for their DECEASED Relatives.
    Records:
    Susan Younger was the Proxy baptized for:

    Deceased:Miriam Ashley
    Proxy’s relationship to deceased:Susan Younger was the Cousin of Miriam Ashley
    Date of proxy baptism: 11 September 1842 ( Evening)

    Deceased: John Brown
    Proxy’s relationship: Susan Younger was the Cousin of John Brown
    Date of proxy baptism: 11 September 1842 (Evening)

    Deceased: Jonas Brown
    Proxy’s relationship:Susan Younger was the Granddaughter of Jonas Brown
    1841
    Deceased: Susan Brown
    Proxy’s relationship:Susan Younger was the Granddaughter of Susan Brown
    1841
    Deceased: Margaret Dwelly ( *From the McCurley Family side)
    Proxy’s relationship:Susan Younger was the Sister of Margaret Dwelly
    1841

    Deceased: Ruth Gallawa ( Gallaway ) ( *From the McCurley Family side )
    Proxy’s relationship:Susan Younger was the Niece of Ruth Gallawa
    1841

    Deceased: Abraham McCurley
    Proxy’s relationship: Susan Younger was the Daughter of Abraham McCurley
    1841

    Deceased: Ezekiel McCurley
    Proxy’s relationship: Susan Younger was the Niece of Ezekiel McCurley
    1841

    Deceased: Jesse McCurley
    Proxy’s relationship: Susan Younger was the Niece of Jesse McCurley
    1841

    Deceased: John McCurley
    Proxy’s relationship:Susan Younger was the Niece of John McCurley
    1841

    Deceased:Thomas McCurley
    Prox’ys relationship: Susan Younger was the Sister of Thomas McCurley
    1841

    Deceased: Winney McCurley
    Proxy’s relationship: Susan Younger was the Granddaughter of Winney McCurley
    1841

    Deceased: James Reilly ( * I believe James Riley was Cherokee )
    Proxy’s relationship: Susan Younger was the Niece of James Reilly

    , Joseph Younger-Susan McCurley’s husband was the Proxy Baptized for:
    Date of Proxy Baptism:1841

    Deceased:John Ashley ( * I believe John Ashley is connected to the Cherokee )
    Proxy’s relationship to deceased: Joseph Younger was the Cousin-in-law of John Ashley

    Deceased: Margaret Freeman ( * I believe Margaret may also be connected to the Cherokee )
    Proxy’s relationship:Joseph Younger was the cousin-in-law of Margaret Freeman

    Deceased: Younger Green (* From the Younger side of family)
    Proxy’s relationship: Joseph Younger was the Second Cousin of Younger Green.

    Deceased: Jane Timmons ( * I believe Jane Timmons was from the Cherokee )
    Proxy’s relationship: Joseph Younger was the Cousin-in-law of Jane Timmons

    ***Here are some more clues that mention a Jonas Brown years later ,they come from Susan McCurley-Younger’s little brother who’s name was Jonas Brown McCurley.He was part of the following Court Case

    CASE of “CHICKASAW NATION VS.SARAH PALMER ” Where 29 People were taking their case to Court. All of them related to MARY MOSEBY (* I have wondered if it was Mosley ,there are many listed in Chickasaw records)

    One of the 29 listed in the case,was my G.G.G. Uncle JONAS BROWN McCURLEY brother of my 4X-Grandma SUSAN McCURLEY YOUNGER.
    In his RECORD of this suit ,he says that JONAS BROWN & SUSIE were his Grandparents.That JAMES BROWN was the Father of his Mother NANCY BROWN.
    tidbits from the case:
    IKE WILLIAMS gives a sworn statement for Jonas Brown McCurley that he remembers five sons of JONAS BROWN by the names of Jonas, Jim,George,Donnelly & Henry
    He goes on to say that :
    GEORGE was called ” Tesh-A-Humby” (Spellings from Court paper )
    DONNELLY was called ” Im-Ma-Ha-La-Tubby”
    HENRY was called “Tul-Le-Char”
    CHICKASAW JONAS was called “—————- ” ( I guess they could not read it,it is missing)

    ***SIDE NOTE: I have read record accounts from Books etc.of James Brown &
    a “Im-Ma-Ha-La-Tubbe” (Note spelling for him from above) Both signing Chickasaw treaties. I can only guess he may have been “Donnelly” son of James Brown.

    JOHN RITCHIE : gives a statement for Jonas Brown McCurley I knew JONAS BROWN at Allen,KY.I know PRISCILLA BROWN a Sister of JONAS BROWN and Aunt of Jonas Brown McCurley.

    *** Now while searching for the name JONAS BROWN I found some records online in Kentucky.Not sure if they connect to me or mine in any way yet, but I noticed the name of ROBERT FOSTER in one of your posts above.

    Nancy Brown married Abraham McCurley in 1804 Barren KY. There was a Jonas Brown living there in Barren KY at the same time who was married to a Mary Hart living on the Bounty land of ROBERT FOSTER who served in the Revolutionary War from Virginia. This Jonas Brown moved to Missouri and is also part Cherokee from the Alexander Brown line.

    This is getting long so I will stop for now.But if anyone knows of a connection with John Brown,Jonas Brown,James Brown,William Brown,Alexander Brown of North Carolina. I would love to hear from you ! 🙂
    Thank you, Leni

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    Leni

    July 12, 2015 at 12:43 am

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    • I just noticed the Name William Boddie in a post from above & remembered seeing this a while back online :William Boddie, born Abt. 1710 in Isle of Wight Co., VA; died Abt. 1772 in …. Note: WITNESSED: Will of Jonas Brown in Northampton on August 1743. 🙂

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      Leni

      July 12, 2015 at 12:56 am

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    • Leni, Didn’t the Alexander Brown become Cherokee Chief? There are some names in this family tree link, might these be the Alexander, James, John, you mentioned? http://www.geni.com/people/Alexander-Brown/6000000002648321286

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      Jason

      August 9, 2015 at 12:20 pm

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69. Thanks for the information, I will definitely see if there is anything I can find. Also, I have relations to the Younger name on the other side of my family. Not sure if you might be related back to a John Younger 1760 – 1817 I believe he married a Lucy Hart? Next was his son Anthony Younger 1791 – 1883.

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    Jason

    July 16, 2015 at 7:57 am

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    • Hi, Well we just might be, but so far there have been no known DNA matches.But many of us believe there are just so many connections & relations between your John Younger/Lucy Hart line and my * Alexander Younger/Rebeca Mills line.That it is only a matter of time. I know there are about 20-25 of us on the Younger boards.Who have been at this 20-25 or more years & most I would say feel the same. We are just missing something,some small clue…we will find it someday.

      My line comes down from William Younger b. 1583 Glasgow m. Margreit Fleming,Alexander Younger b.1608 Glasgow m.Margaret Steinson,Thomas Younger b.1652 Glasgow m.Anna Smith,Alexander Younger b.1681 Glasgow m.Rebeca Mills,James Younger b.1720 Essex,Virginia m.Anna Nash,Thomas James Younger b.1761 Chatham,NC. m.Mary Nall ( Polly ) dau of Maj.John Nall,Joseph Younger b.1803 NC. m. Susan McCurley 🙂

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      Leni

      August 2, 2015 at 6:38 pm

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      • Hi Leni,
        That is very interesting. Small world. Here is a Younger link I found, not sure if this will help you or not. You may have seen it already. http://dna-explained.com/2014/06/08/marcus-younger-c1740-1816-mystery-man-52-ancestors-23/

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        Jason

        August 3, 2015 at 10:02 am
      • I have a DNA test up on Ancestry now, as well as Gedmatch,

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        jason swaim

        August 31, 2016 at 1:44 pm
70. I found a interesting article while researching some McDaniel ancestors I may have on my maternal side. Not sure if anyone else has this info. so I thought I would share. The link to the article is at the bottom of page. It mentions Sarah Brown, Thomas Brown, Christian Maulve (Maule), John Brown etc. “Sarah’s first Cousin, John Brown, represented Bertie County in the General Assembly at New Bern 1739-40.
    On July 15, 1715, Thomas Brown and wife Christian Mulve, made a deed of gift of 100 acres to their son-in-law Daniel McDaniel.Wits. Jack Lewis, Valentine Bigsale? (Hathaway I-289.Daniel McDaniel bought 200 acres adjoining the lands of John Crosby and Thomas Vincent July 17, 1717 and assigned the said tract to Thomas brown (Id-300. [Taken from John McDaniel’s information from Joseph Watson].”

    http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/m/c/d/Eugene-Mcdaniel/GENE1-0001.html

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    jason swaim

    August 31, 2016 at 1:51 pm

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    • Jason
      According to your link above… the “rebel prisoner” was transported and “sold” in 1715…

      He must have worked fast to meet, swoon, and marry the daughter of Thomas Brown…

      Chowan #755 p.177 Thomas Brown of Chowan and wife Christian to Daniel McDaniel 19 July 1715, gift to son in law 100 ac adj Old Tree Swamp. wit.

      Jacob X Lewis. Val X Brasswell

      Use my “search” button for “daniel mcdaniel”… tons of stuff…

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      anderson1951

      August 31, 2016 at 4:14 pm

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      • I will check that out. I hope that I am not right, because that would link my maternal and paternal side. However, my cousin has taken a DNA test as well, and he matches both maternal and paternal somewhere a long ways back, just not sure where yet. I found the link frustrating and full circle, and back to the confusing Browns. Possibly on both sides of my family, now. I noticed your Anderson / McDaniel page, and thought it strange that I have may have an ancestor named Anderson McDaniel. I have seen many ancestors naming a child with last name of wife for their first name. That is why it stuck out, plus the references to the Browns.

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        jason swaim

        August 31, 2016 at 6:32 pm
71. Also, I wanted to mention, I found alot of folks linking my McDaniels to, Daniel McDaniel. However, I still have alot of missing links in my tree.

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    jason swaim

    August 31, 2016 at 6:36 pm

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    • It is frustrating…
      All of my search for the Browns and McDaniels centers around that marriage of John Anderson and the widow of Daniel McDaniel. I still have not figured out WHO that John Anderson belongs to.

      In my scattered notes is a theory that Daniel McDaniel hailed from Surry County and then moved to “old” Chowan Precinct where he hooked up with the daughter of Thomas Brown… then moved to the area of Roanoke River where he died.

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      anderson1951

      September 1, 2016 at 3:45 am

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      • The Anderson name has peaked my interest. Since there may be an Anderson McDaniel 1797 – 1850, in my line. Some say he married Susan Hawkins, father may have been Archibald McDaniel 1775 – 1845. I know that often people would name a child with the last name of their mothers family. Also, I have several Archibald McDaniels, I have been researching. There are a few of them. One in particular is known as Archibald Bolin McDaniel born around 1808 around Georgia. He is on the Guion Miller Roll 1851, and I have seen his son’s testimony to the Cherokee nation. Lewis McDaniel, is his son, and he said they used to go by the last name Bolin. The interview mentioned listing them as Bolin, and switched it back to McDaniel. When asked why, he said he was not sure. He said his dad went by Archy Bolin. However, I have nothing on this Archy’s father or mother. I did notice in Greenville SC censuses, that there was Archibald McDaniel living near a Bolin Family, and near David Lewis McDaniel, which is my line. I read that one of our McDaniel women married a Bolin as well. The McDaniels in South Carolina seem to have been there for a while, and were also around the Fort 96 area early on, I guess when it was a trading post. They probably moved back an fourth through Georgia and SC. I have a 4th great grandfather named Levi W (William) McDaniel, that I know little about, other than his father maybe David Lewis McDaniel or Archibald. I am curious if these folks go back to Trader McDaniel that married Sookie Hopper? I have many DNA members on Ancestry that claim ancestry from McDaniel/Hopper, but I am not sure how we relate, yet. Sookie goes back to Old Hop, and Moytoy I believe. Anyhow, It says on the census that Levi was born 1801 in Georgia, but they lived most of their lives in Greenville SC, and the Haywood, NC. I am trying to trace them back, but they are very difficult to research. Also, while I researching a bit this morning and found an interesting blog that has some Anderson’s in it. Would these be the Anderson’s you are speaking of? https://nativeamericanroots.wordpress.com/tag/nansemond/

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        jason swaim

        September 1, 2016 at 10:06 am
72. If only our ancestors had not used the same old common first names over and over. John Browne, my great+grandfather, is about the most common name ever and shows up about 10 times in my family tree, down to the present. I am still stuck trying to figure out who is who among all the John and Thomas Brownes back there, not to mention all the wives named Elizabeth or Mary. At least my descendants will not have that difficulty with my Derek and Devin being rather uncommon names.

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    Ellen Summer Gonzalez

    September 1, 2016 at 7:28 am

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    • I feel your pain. I have Browns on both sides of my family. John Brown 1, John Brown 2, John Brown 3. William Thomas Brown, Thomas William Brown etc. it will make your head spin.

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      jason swaim

      September 1, 2016 at 10:08 am

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      • Jason, you and I must be related then as I have all those names in my family tree also. Since I am not a male Browne I had my male Browne first cousin do the DNA test, but he is baffled by the info returned and I am too. I wish there was an easy way to read the results.

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        Ellen Summer Gonzalez

        September 1, 2016 at 10:24 am
73. Did you have them take a Y DNA test? Or was it the one for Ancestry? The Browns are on my fathers mothers side, so I don’t think a Y DNA test will work for me for this Brown lineage. I have some other Browns on my fathers, paternal side as well, but I am pretty sure they do not relate to these Browns. My understanding is that it goes down the male Y DNA portion of your DNA. I have taken both the Ancestry DNA test and a 12 marker Y DNA, and my uncle (my fathers brother) has taken a Y DNA as well. Have you taken any DNA tests?

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    jason swaim

    September 1, 2016 at 10:40 am

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    • The test my cousin did was for a Browne family project and would have to go through my notes to find the info. My dad was not a Browne, that is my mother’s maiden name, but Daddy had a test done, though it really can tell me nothing about this mystery. I have never had a test done, so maybe I should. Probably way on back you and I are related.

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      Ellen Summer Gonzalez

      September 1, 2016 at 10:53 am

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74. Now that DNA testing has become fashionable this is worth noting:

    Minutes of the General Court of North Carolina
    North Carolina. General Court
    August 02, 1716

    ——————– page 264 ——————–
    Wee the body of the Grand Jury for Albemarle County in the Province of North Carolina do present Charity Brown for that she hath a Bastard Child at the House of Mr Thoss Rogers in this Precinct of Chowan

    (I have no idea who “Charity” belonged to)

    Also one Susanah Brown living at Petty Shore hath two Bastards
    —————-

    In the “bastardy” references is named one “Charles Brown”. So it is obvious to me that there are going to be some strange names showing up down the line to modern time.

    Marc

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    anderson1951

    September 8, 2016 at 3:49 am

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    • Well, I am still ruining my old brain on the Rogers family. I am interested in getting the map you have the in this background.

      I found a mistake in my analysis with Jonathan Rogers as a descendant of John Rogers.

      I used the USGeo Survey Map and identified the mistake I made.

      I am many months ahead with my research of Robert Rogers of Deep Creek on the Chowan River. He married mary Moore dau. Of Edward Moore.

      Long story short I am very far down the road reading the print off the pages of The Bertie County deed book by Mary Best Bell. I’m still a “map” guy……. Katherine’s Cr, Wiccocone r., Ahoskie Sw. Petty shore, etc.

      My relative. Francis Rountree, had the first water wheel on Katherine’s Cr. The wheel is on display ar NC State in Raliegh, I am told.

      Enough for now. Sent from my iPad

      >

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      rogmem01@bellsouth.net

      September 8, 2016 at 7:21 pm

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      • Note that there are 2 Catherine Creeks. One on the west side of Chowan River running off of Deep Creek, the other on the east side opposite Mount Pleasant.

        Francis Roundtree obtained his patent in 1714 on the east side.

        Robert Rogers and Mountford Langston obtained a patent in 1723… I think it was near the Nansemond County line near Virginia.

        Your references to Deep Creek, Petty Shore etc., leads me to think you are looking at later land sales between folks who will not have had a “new land” or “original” patent. No problem… you just have to keep it in mind. My plan is to only show the original patents on my map… it is up to you to figure out the later land deals. (It would be damn near impossible for me to map it).

        See here to find the original patents I am working from…

        http://www.nclandgrants.com/index/

        I will update my map as time permits… stay tuned.

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        anderson1951

        September 9, 2016 at 4:32 am
75. Anderson1951 and all, it’s been awhile since I’ve added anything to this everlasting search for the facts, since I haven’t been able to provide additional data I have simply being reading your posts, I do have some new information to share, where it goes, I’m not sure, but here’s what has come about the last 6 months, I upgraded my DNA, and its very interesting that now there seems to be links to additional male last names, get ready, here they are;

    Browne
    Batts
    Boon(e)
    Boothe

    I never asked, let’s say those of us that believe we are from the shipright Browne of Ingatestone and close to the Boddie and Fulgrams from London’s East End, where is the Browne from Kingsale from in Europe, do you have that information?

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    Danny

    September 10, 2016 at 8:41 pm

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    • The BOOTHE reference obviously leans to my theory. BOON is interesting but I haven’t seen a direct link. The BATT line hails from the Prince George, VA area. The original John Browne said he moved to Kingsale from Henrico, VA. So I am just assuming he was the “immigrant”. I have no idea where he came from.

      Are you sure there are no ROGERS in your DNA matches? I suspect there was an intermarriage.

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      anderson1951

      September 11, 2016 at 7:08 am

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76. My latest Post… showing the John Brown JR property near the VA/NC border in what was then called Chowan County. (toward bottom of post)

    https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/john-browne-property-and-the-wayward-granddaughter/

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    anderson1951

    September 15, 2016 at 4:00 am

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77. Would you know of any nice maps of the Hawtree Creek area of NC are? You may have one, that I missed. I believe it is the Halifax area now Warren County. I have some Hicks and Ellis family that lived there and trying to get an idea of which branch of the Hicks family moved there. It is either the Hicks from Virginia or the Hicks from New York. I think it is the Hicks family from Virginia, since the Ellis family was living nearby and they were also from Virginia. However, there are some other Hicks on Fishing creek nearby, and trying to figure out these families is very difficult. I have a Richard Wiggins Ellis, son of John Ellis, that married a Charlotte Ellis approx 1768. John Ellis had some property that bordered I believe John Hicks and possibly Robert Hicks on Hawtree creek. Trying to figure out whose daughter she was.

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    Jason

    September 28, 2016 at 10:53 am

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    • This is my GOTO place for maps… find it… then right click and copy/paste… painless.

      http://www.oldmapsonline.org/en/Rocky_Mount#bbox=-77.86236299999996,35.787346,-77.36248500277708,35.968165&q=&date_from=0&date_to=9999&scale_from=&scale_to=

      Go here to see if they acquired a patent…

      http://www.nclandgrants.com/index/

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      anderson1951

      September 28, 2016 at 3:18 pm

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78. Thanks for the info. Those are great links! While researching I discovered one of my other relatives is an Indian Trader as well, he is John Ellis 1710 – 1793. He had a son Richard Wiggins Ellis, (not sure what his profession was yet) who married a Charlotte Hicks. Found some documents where there were transactions between John Ellis and John and Robert Hicks, also found some between John Hicks and Richard Ellis. It appears they had land next to each other on Hawtree Creek. I figure one of these Hicks is probably the father of Charlotte, who I cannot find any information on. She and Richard were married circa 1768. They had several children including Hicks Ellis, and my direct ancestor William Wyly Ellis. These Hicks I believe are the Virginia Hicks, Indian Traders. I am wondering if this Robert Hicks is the father of Nathan Hicks that married the Cherokee? Some have Robert Hicks marrying a Cherokee as well, but I also read Nathan was a white man that married a Cherokee Chief Brooms daughter, other have her as Jennie Ani-Wa’Ya of Ani-Waya Clan Conrad Taylor. Also, this John Ellis line goes back to the Thomas Davis and Elizabeth Plow or Plaw. Some have them listed as Lenape (Delaware) Indian. However, I am not so sure about that. Anyhow, if anyone has any information on the Hawtree Creek Hicks and their children I would be very interested to know. I cannot find any info. on Charlotte Hicks other than she married Richard Wiggins Ellis.

    DB-3, page 331. 12 November 1771. THOMAS PATTE(R)SNALL to JOHN ELLIS, both of Bute Co. 15 Pds. Va. money for 57 A. in Bute Co. on WS Hawtree Creek, adj. sd. ELLIS & DAVID TOWNS. Wit: HARDIGE WALKER, RICHARD ELLIS, JOHN HICKS. Proved by JOHN HICKS, Bute November Court 1771, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C.Reg: 29 January 1772, by JAMES JOHNSON, P.R

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    Jason

    September 29, 2016 at 12:32 pm

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79. Here is some intersting info. I ran across searching out the Howells. Leni mentioned a Freeman family earlier, possible cherokee. There is a Freeman Howell 1777 – 1870, his father Matthew Howell 1752 – 1793. Now what I have seen on Ancestry, I do take with a grain of salt. However, I have seen many trees saying Christain Maule / Howell is Saponi and/or Cherokee. These Howells I found in this article are Saponi and were originally in Virgina and ended up in Granville, NC.. What adds to this is there is the possible Chief Red Bird Brown, that is supposed to be the son of Christian and Thomas Browne. I am leaning heavily that Thomas married a Howell not Maule, since they had a child named Howell Browne. This is a pretty good article. Now I will need to figure out if these Howells connect to the one’s in this article. What I find interesting is many of these Indian Trader familes in Virginia ended up in Granville NC, which is where the Mehrrian and Saponi tribes migrated to. Seems like they followed the trade. In fact my John Ellis is noted to have property about a mile below the Traders path. Does anyone have any info. on any Howells, that might be Christians parents? https://nativeamericanroots.wordpress.com/tag/occaneechi-saponi/

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    Jason

    October 8, 2016 at 12:03 pm

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    • some Howell research in IOW & Nansemond…

      http://pioneersalongsoutherntrails.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-howell-family-of-isle-of-wight-and_99.html

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      anderson1951

      October 9, 2016 at 2:44 am

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80. Also, while looking around today I found a Thomas Brown around Fort 96. He had land, but one claim said it was never developed while he owned it. “The first recorded landholder at
    Ninety Six was Thomas Brown, a trader at Congarees, who registered a
    claim in 1738.” “Brown received an additional grant for 200 acres in
    the same area late in 1744, but he evidently never developed his property
    before his death in 1747. This second tract was described as being
    located “96 miles from the Charokee Nation. . . .”21 Brown obviously
    had speculative reasons for laying claim to the fertile land about the
    strategic junction of the Cherokee Path and the Savannah trail at Ninety
    Six.22 Early in 1746 some Virginians petitioned South Carolina Governor
    James Glen, requesting that the lands around Ninety Six be purchased
    from the Indians and opened to settlement by farmers from western Virginia
    and Pennsylvania” He was a trader on the Congree. Here is the link. It said he died in 1747 or so. Is this the same line of Browns? I am guessing he may have been realted to Patrick Brown? http://www.npshistory.com/publications/nisi/historical-narrative.pdf

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    Jason

    October 8, 2016 at 3:45 pm

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81. Hi team, in reference to “are there any Rogers in my DNA?”, there has not been any show up, but interestingly there has been Pearsall, mean anything?

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    Danny

    November 19, 2017 at 12:22 am

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    • never studied any PEARSALLs… ???

      This guy at this website keeps me scratching my head… there are some BROWN references…

      https://walterfitzgilbertdehamilton.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/some-harris-notes/comment-page-1/

      I can’t make heads or tails of his research… and he has never answered a question I posted a while back…

      Is he a remarkable researcher or a nutjob??? Sorry for any offense… but that generally is why questions are asked and answered…

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      anderson1951

      November 19, 2017 at 9:35 am

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82. †Essex Registry of Deeds, book 7, leaf 79.

    Estate of William Browne Lot. This, “the westermost hill that lieth before John Gachel’s,” was granted by the town of Marblehead to George Chine May 19, 1652.‡ John Codner subsequently owned it; and William Browne of Marblehead brought a suit-at-law against him. In this suit Mr. Browne recovered judgment, and to satisfy the execution issued thereon this land was set off to Mr. Browne in or before 1683. Mr. Browne died in February, 1683-4, when this lot of two acres was appraised at eight pounds. The land belonged to Mr. Browne’s estate until Oct. 12, 1700, when his sons, William, Thomas and John, conveyed it to their sister Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Severitt of Marblehead, fisherman.§ This hill has been known by the names of its various owners and others who lived near it, namely, Chin’s, Gatchell’s and Severitt’s, the latter name continuing through the

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    Judyann Kelley Townsend (Brown,Clubb,Tai Ya Gansi Ni (Tsí-yu-gûnsí-ní) ,Rhodes,Smallwood,Smith etc)

    December 29, 2017 at 7:26 pm

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    • I am curious as to what your point is?

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      anderson1951

      December 30, 2017 at 9:01 am

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83. Your map shows the original 347 acres Anthony Lewis acquired in IOW but it does not show the 366 acres acquired from William and Martha Browne in 1716. Do you know where the land was located vis-a-vis the original 347 acres?
    Bill Lewis

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    Bill Lewis

    March 19, 2018 at 6:54 pm

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    • Hi Bill

      Can you add any more info on the 1716 deed you refer to? I cannot find it.

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      anderson1951

      March 20, 2018 at 12:21 am

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84. Nitpicking, but since William Murphey is obviously significant — the abstract from Bertie Co. DB B:8 is incorrect. The witness was William Murphey, not Humphrey. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89Z1-NQML?i=12&cat=330667

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    laurelnaiad

    July 25, 2018 at 7:26 am

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85. Marc, Still here digging deeply into William Brown, friend of young Jonathan Rogers, and George Ward pre..1761. After 2 plus years of Robert Rogers of Chowan, Bertie finally into Pitt Co., I have completed Brown, Ward, and Rogers of “ Murfree’ s Borough”. 1719-1765. The focal point can be seen on the Patent of Benjamin Ricks as seen on the deed mapper that you have extended down Southeasterly. I managed to see the patents of Thomas Hines and Thomas Ward.

    William Brown and George Ward listed “ together” …..hinted… 1753- 1760…. I am winding up my research here after another 2 1/2 hrs, 3 times a week at Starbucks “ coffee overgeneology…” .

    Can you e mail me you up to date deed mapper of Murfreesboro? The work mentioned above
    Is with problems. With the 1760 borderlines drawn into this deed activity. I.e. Happy to share.
    Rogers Smith

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    B. Rogers Smith

    December 14, 2019 at 7:43 am

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    • I am a descendant of both the Brownes and the Ward families. I have recently uploaded DNA results to several databases. It would be interesting for others in the same families to do the same so we can see how we are related. For more info, just ask.

      Ellen Summer

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      elenalareina

      December 15, 2019 at 11:23 am

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86. John Browne Indian Trader was my 10th great-grandfather. Nobody seems to have found a marriage record. The author did an excellent job of separating the two John Browns. Vast majority of Indian traders took Indian wives. It was excellent for business. His wife was probably a Meherrin, which explains why Brown is a core surname in the Meherrin, and the Saponi. The Meherrin tribal page confirms the Brown surname in their tribe. I believe Thomas’s wife was a Saponi (my 9th great-grandparents).

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    Sean Morrissey

    January 29, 2020 at 1:30 pm

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    • He was my grandmother’s family as well Jesse Bynum Brown was her father if you have more information that would be great

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      Mike Stewart

      October 3, 2022 at 11:44 am

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      • Unfortunately, I do not have any more information. My Brown/Browne family lived in Edgecombe County, then it became Halifax County, and finally they moved into what is now Warren County. I do not have a Bynum connection in any of that.

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        Forrest King

        October 4, 2022 at 1:45 pm
      • Ok I was curious if u did

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        Mike Stewart

        October 4, 2022 at 3:03 pm
87. Indian trader’s granddaughter married William Strickland, not Gideon Gibson.

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    Udom Nieminen

    January 29, 2020 at 1:55 pm

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    • Perhaps you would care to elaborate?

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      anderson1951

      May 23, 2021 at 12:09 pm

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      • Since she did not care to elaborate… I will:

        A deed associated with William Strickland is Aug. 5, 1723 which proves that Martha Brown was the husband of this William Strickland, son of Matthew Strickland, Jr. and Ann Braswell.

        Barnabe McKinnie & Wife Mary to Joseph Joyner, 150 acre deed of gift made by

        William Brown deceased by his last will did give to his daughter Martha,

        which is to say Martha Brown which land was laps before the aforesaid

        Brown’s death and is now come due to me by virture of a relapsed patent

        bearing the date November 22, 1723 and now being exchanged by WILLIAM

        STRICKLAND the husband of said Martha Brown with Joseph Joyner we do for

        this reason bargain and confirm to Joseph Joyner, SS Moratuck River, part of

        survey called Walnut Gut Fork. Wit: Isaac Ricks & William Humphrey . This

        Will reference in Bertie County Deed Book B, Page 8 (Aug. Court 1725
        ——————–

        Gideon Gibson’s wife was named Mary. She is purported to be the daughter of William Brown (a daughter Mary is noted in his will of 1718)

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        anderson1951

        August 7, 2021 at 3:01 pm
88. I was working through William Browne and Martha Braswell and came across your site. I had a little bit of a hard time going through the various treads of logic on your site. I came up with my own method of trying to sort out the records. It is not fool proof but I think it can be most informative. I studied the John Brown(e)s records in Isle of Wight from 1660 to 1725 and categorized them by how they signed their names on documents. They fell into three groups.

    Group 1: John signed with what looks like three T”s – TTT. (Total of 9 different transactions)

    The first occurrence of this John was in 1665. This group included two documents with William Boddie in 1674 and 1683. It also included all the John and Mary documents, Kinsale patents, and the John Sr. and Jr. documents around 1690. The John who was 44 in 1681 is also there. The last record is John and Bridget in 1706.

    Group 2: John signed his name with a downward facing “B”. (Total of 3 different transactions)

    The first instance of this John comes in 1708 and concludes with the John Browne will in 1721. I looked in Surry records for John Brown as well. There is a land witness about 1690 where the John Browne uses a normal “B”. The taxable records have a John Browne starting in 1668 and going through 1703. A second John Browne comes in the records in 1686 through 1703. If he was a son of the first John Brown, he was deceased by 1721.

    Group 3: John Brown can sign his name. (Total of 15 different transactions)

    This one can be tricky because the clerk can be just plain lazy and not record a mark by the signer. Fortunately the people mentioned in the documents are pretty consistent. This John or Johns appeared in 1680 and moved from Isle of Wight County about 1702. The individuals mentioned most often with this person include, George Pierce, Philip Rayford, William Oldis, Hodges Council, Nicolas Wilson, and Thomas Mandue. This group includes the shipwright as well.

    I do not know how all this relates to you current theory. I would be interested to know what you think. I am still working through your documents. The John Browns of North Carolina are a little tricker.

    One question, if Thomas and William are the children of John Browne the Indian trader, what do we know about the Thomas and William that were the grandchildren of William Boddie?

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    Forrest King

    September 12, 2022 at 1:57 pm

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89. Some observations I’ve gathered on the grandsons of Wm Boddie…

    Boddie wrote his will 1712 and it was recorded 1717. Both William and Thomas Browne are apparently still living at this date of 1717. And by implication it seems to indicate IOW. Remember the son in law John Brown was a shipwright and would need to be close to the water….

    William and Thomas Browne of N Carolina are clearly settled with property and living in NC. (Thomas near Potocasi Creek near the Chowan R and William near Calidonia Woods near the Roanoke R). They die 1718 and 1719.

    My hunch is this “may” be the son in law of Boddie…?

    IOW, VA wills, Bk 2A, page 90
    Browne, John: Leg son James, my land on Timothy Walker’s road in Surry County; son
    Thomas land on the same road; daughter Elizabeth; daughter Mary; daughter Ann Camerine; daughter Bridgett Wresbury. Exs., sons James and Thomas Browne. D.
    January-, 1720/21. R. July 24, 1721.

    —————–
    here is a map showing where Wm Boddie’s property was in IOW (or at least a large chunk of it)

    Nobody knows the trubble I’ve seen…

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    anderson1951

    September 13, 2022 at 6:20 am

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    • Thanks for your quick response. I guess this is more of an AHA moment for me than for you. I have been methodically documenting a history of my grandfather that was born in Warren County, North Carolina. Most of it is very straight forward. I expected it to be the same with John Browne. I had no idea I was walking into a buzz saw. I did not see this one coming. I was working through many of the issues you have been grappling with for years. I have come across many of the primary records that you have. Some of the points you make are most intriguing.

      I am going to propose a theory that works and can be reasonably documented. Whether it is right or close to being correct I am not sure just yet. For me it is worth giving it a very hard look.

      From my signature analysis I submitted the other day, I saw a couple of patterns I had never seen before. The John Browne that signed with a downward facing “B” pretty much stuck to himself and is pretty isolated. It was apparent to me that he did not have deep roots in the area. The John Brownes that could sign their name looked more like a series of witnesses of deeds and wills rather than a family of sorts. The group that really intrigued me was the John Brownes that used “TTT” as their signature. It is that group that interacted with the Boddie family. Combining all of the “TTT” Brownes and what we know about William Boddie’s children, an interesting option surfaced.

      For starters, I know what I am about to share runs against the grain of what is on your web site. I am including Thomas Brown that married Christian and William Brown that married Martha Braswell as children of the John Browne that married Mary Boddie. My logic is as follows: 1) John Browne, son-in-law to William Boddie, had sons named Thomas and William and no one else of that era did to my knowledge, 2) yes, Thomas and William were in North Carolina in 1712 when the Boddie will was written but that does not preclude them from receiving money from their grandfather (or their sisters either for that matter), 3) I cannot find any other Thomas Browne in the surrounding counties, 4) the only other William Browne was a husband to a Briggs and died in 1709 (interestingly another of my directs), 5) both grandchildren Thomas and William would have been over 35 in 1712 and their probability of both of them not being spotted doing or witnessing something in the area is very remote, 6) the Stricklands lived next to the two Kinsale patents so William could have had contact with the family earlier, 7) last and probably the very least it is my theory and I won’t know the problems with it without putting it forth the way it looks to me now.

      Here goes:

      “*” = John Browne signed with “TTT” in the transaction referenced

      John Browne Sr.
      Born – 1637 (he is 44 in 1681*)
      Death – about 1692 in Isle of Wight (1692 is the last reference to a John Browne Sr., Elder, or Jr.
      Married 1) Mrs. John Brown about 1656 (not sure which side of the water)

      1) Thomas
      Born – 1659 (he is 34 in 1693*)
      Death – 1718 in Chowan County (will on file)

      2) John Jr.
      Born – about 1668 (this is a little squishy but that makes him an adult in 1690 when John Jr. appears)
      Died – after 1706* and probably before 1712 (he could have also migrated to North Carolina as well)

      Married 2) Mary Boddie in Isle of Wight (she is younger than John)

      3) William
      Born – 1674 in Isle of Wight County
      Died – 1719 in Chowan County (will on file)
      4, 5, 6) Three daughters yet unnamed
      Born – all were born by 1682
      Death – two are alive in 1712 and one died in 1688

      Analysis

      • 1665* – John witnesses a deed sold by John Wakefield and John Shearer in 1665 (first known appearance – there are John Brownes that are referenced in the Coldham Book but no way to identify him).
      • 1672* – John and William Boddie witness a land transfer by Henry Joyce.
      • 1681* – John is 44 years old and testified in court.
      • 1682 – John is the wife of Mary Boddie. William Boddie was giving a gift to her 5 children (I have waffled on which of the two wives of John had the child John Jr. If it was Mary, she has to be older than we currently think.)
      • 1688-1690 – John patents two tracts of land and sells them. There was also the first appearance of any John Sr’s and John Jrs. In all his land sales, John Sr. always uses “TTT” to sign his name.
      • 1692* – John Sr. last known appearance. He appoints his son John Jr. as an attorney. His wife Mary is still alive in 1692 but deceased by her father’s will in 1712. (Thomas, William, and for that matter John were free to relocate if they chose.)
      • 1706* – John Jr. sells part of the 1688-1690 patent land by John Sr. He is probably deceased by his grandfather’s will in 1712.

      I am sure there will be tweaks to this option. There is a massive amount of information on this web site and I have not had a chance to vet the whole site. I know this option is more back of the envelop genealogy than I am accustomed to do submitting. I would be more than happy to prepare a 4 to 5 page document on this option for you complete with sources.

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      Forrest King

      September 13, 2022 at 1:23 pm

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90. Forrest
    I welcome your input and will be happy to showcase your analysis… it appears you intend to make a serious challenge to my theory and make the case for the “shipwright” John Brown(e) being the father of William and Thomas Brown of NC.

    Nothing can weed out errors better than a good test of facts… I really enjoy this sort of thing. I kid with my friend Traci Thompson “the Librarian” of Rocky Mount that I strive to find the horse thieves and women of ill repute to spice up the history. Its good fun and good sport.

    I have “Posts” that only show up with a “search” of this site… so I’m not sure if you have seen some additions to my theory. I apologize and fear that I have hopelessly lost track of any reasonable logic in these “threads”.

    My real pride and contribution to genealogy are my maps. Have you seen this post?

    John Browne (the Indian Trader)… and his wayward granddaughter

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    anderson1951

    September 13, 2022 at 9:18 pm

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91. Anthony Lewis and William Browne … step son and son of the Indian Trader…

    Note in particular the map. I have a newer map I have not published which gives more detail of this area of “old” Isle of Wight (now Southampton). I will try to post it when I can…. it also brings into focus a possible sister Elizabeth Browne whom married a Joyner from this area of IOW.
    This is a very tangled web.

    Anthony’s Delight… a swamp that evidently excited Anthony

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    anderson1951

    September 14, 2022 at 6:07 am

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    • Once you start to shake the tree, one never knows what will fall out. I hope more pieces will fall out as well. The more the merrier. One can never get enough data points as you pointed out.

      A couple of things. I think your maps are WONDERFUL. I have been using them for years. We do have other lines that we both share an interest in researching. You really have a skill that is greatly appreciated.

      I appreciated your comments about horse thieves. I have one of those (closer to a joy rider but the penalty was the same) and a counterfeiter. I also have a colonial governor, colonial supreme court justice, and some ordinary folks only trying to flee religious persecution and ended up in Plymouth Bay in 1620. Not sure where to place the John Brown of Harpers Ferry fame who is a 1/2 cousin of my direct. John did do me a great favor because in the middle of an innocuous political rant he provided some wonderful genealogical information. He was quoting a Bible record that I do not think exists now.

      I have a couple of thoughts about John Browne the shipwright in 1675. I went back to the original (film 7676107 image 475). It calls John a “mariner” and he is able to sign his name. The clerk on earlier and later pages are recording marks for other individuals so the chance the clerk did not record a mark for John Browne is less. The John Browne, husband of Mary Boddie, is consistently illiterate. A few years later, William Boddie starts to give his grandchildren a bunch of animals. My guess is that we have two different John Brownes here rather than one that changed professions.

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      Forrest King

      September 14, 2022 at 11:23 am

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92. Another map…

    I have found that I have to review all these notes again myself even tho’ I consolidated the darn things. I cannot simply answer a simple question without digging in the dirt and wandering around in the tall grass.

    This post gives my best “big picture” analysis of my theory of the John Browne “clan” and the resulting extended family. The John Joyner link to the Brownes may be the most compelling, and in particular showing the family ties to the Brownes, the Lewis’ and in particular Anthony Lewis, John Warren, Daniel McDaniel and others i am forgetting …(in my opinion of course, much of this is still unproven).

    The tedious detective work shown on this map is some of my best work…

    https://andersonnc.com/2016/09/17/john-browne-the-dessert-map/

    https://andersonnc.com/2014/01/28/john-joyner-married-elizabeth-brown/

    Jeez… I’ll give this a rest now. I have refreshed my brain and it is swimming…

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    anderson1951

    September 15, 2022 at 8:33 am

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93. Forrest
    I am consumed by the ravages of hurricane Ian right now (I live in Ft Myers)

    I’ll get back when things calm down. Thanks for the input.
    marc

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    anderson1951

    October 4, 2022 at 4:33 pm

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    a Commenter… | Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina

    April 6, 2023 at 11:13 pm

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    • Howdy all,
      Thanks for all this information. It seems as if I’m late the party! I just tracked my line up through William “Creek Bill” Brown to Calvin F. Brown to John William Brown to William Maule Brown to Thomas William Browne. I’m curious about the Cherokee and have no idea how a brother of William Maule Brown (James “Chief Red Feather Maghpiway Lenape” Cherokee Chief Brown) could be Indian. Looks like you all have been working on that.

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      Harrison Watts

      June 16, 2023 at 1:49 pm

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      • You will have to be a little more specific…
        I have no idea of anyone you mention?
        marc

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        anderson1951

        June 16, 2023 at 2:25 pm
95. Marc,

    I’m sorry for the lack of clarity. I’m speaking to:
    Thomas William Browne
    B:06 Aug 1678 Isle of Wight, Virginia
    D:15 December 1718 Chowan County, North Carolina, USA

    married to

    Christian “Christine” Maule
    B:1680 Chowan, North Carolina, United States
    D:16 Jun 1719 Chowan, North Carolina, United States

    They have a son (according to ancestry.com) who is identified as;
    James “Chief Red Feather Maghpiway Lenape” Cherokee Chief Brown
    B:1705 Chowan, North Carolina, USA
    D:1769 Bertie, North Carolina

    who seems to be a sibling to my line:

    William Maule Brown
    B:1708 Edenton, Chowan County, North Carolina, American Colonies
    D:10 Feb 1779 Martin, North Carolina, United States

    Any information on these last two and how one may be Cherokee and the other not.

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    Harrison Watts

    June 16, 2023 at 3:06 pm

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    • I’m hesitant to answer because everything I have to say will probably be offensive.
      No one in this early period of Colonial history had a middle name. (well 99.99 percent did not.)
      You will find the wills of a Thomas and a William Browne ca. 1718/1719 in my notes.
      Have you determined how you might relate to them?

      I would suggest you ignore any nonsense that Ancestry.com might be purveying. Much of the online charts are just too fantastical to believe. Too full of errors and irrational.
      I’m not trying to be snarky… you just seem to be new and a little misguided in your research.

      It is possible, perhaps, that a descendant of this Browne family had some dealings with the Cherokees of Western NC… but I have never ran across any info.
      marc

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      anderson1951

      June 16, 2023 at 3:32 pm

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