Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/warren/2674/

A John BROWN, Jr.’s inventory was complete 1726. He had died in Chowan Precinct, but the inventory is in the Bertie Co. Records. John WARREN and Grace his wife, Silvester ( Silvestra ) BROWN of precinct of Bertie ” for love and affection to our sister Elizabeth JOYNER sell her a tract of land formely belonging to John BROWN, our father, deceased, patented by him 1713, on west side of Chowan River.” Wits: Finierer HAYNE, Christian BROWN ( wife of Thomas ). I wish to identify the Brown family to which these people are connected. Any help appreciated. Arlina < amoss@sunline.net >

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I too have been curious of this woman for the last 20 odd years.

There is a WikiTree page: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-636635 where this is stated: “This Elizabeth is not Elizabeth Brown, daughter of John Brown. This Elizabeth’s surname who married Israel has not been determined yet.” Then this is stated: “Elizabeth Brown, daughter of John Brown, married John Joyner 1690-1748..”

Confused yet? Me too.

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The William Browne and Anthony Lewis noted above, are stepbrothers. The person connecting all these folks is John Browne of Kingsale, VA and Petty Shore, NC. But more of interest is the Nathan Joyner who adjoined Anthony Lewis… note how cozy all these patents are in proximity.

If this were a crime scene and we are the detectives then it is merely a clean up to find the culprit (obviously one of the dastardly Joyner boys) … and that is up to you to figure out. I am merely laying out the clues…

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I have made my case (pretty much) in raw form here: https://andersonnc.com/john-browne-of-kingsale-1639-1713-indian-trader/ where I demonstrate my confusion for all to see: Quoting myself:

“Other researchers have attempted to tie John Joyner, son of Bridgeman Joyner, to a 2nd marriage to one Eizabeth Brown. I suggest that if there is a connection of an Elizabeth Brown it may have been a daughter, or more likely a granddaughter, of John Browne.  This John Browne relocates to North Carolina about 1700 near Wiccacon Creek, along with Richard Booth and Booth’s nephew Thomas Mann, Jr.

This account by Boddie gets my attention… well actually it just confuses the hell out of me… Boddie made a lot of helpful notes but DAMN! sometimes he was just WRONG!

Historical Southern Families Vol. 1

Pg. 23 John Brown died in Surry Co. 1714, wife Eliza Brown 6-6-1714 left 1 son and 4 daughters as follows:

1. Sylvester Brantley Bertie Co. NC  (is this a typo?… is this a step-son?… is this a female?)

2 Hester Brantley, the will of Hester probated in 1727 in Surry Co. VA mentioned her daughters Priscilla and Elizabeth and her 2 sisters Eliza Joyner and Grace Warren. Appoints James Wilson and James Piland executors.

3 Eliza married to Nehemiah Joyner   (is this an Elizabeth Brown different from the one I am researching?… if so this can get VERY confusing!))

4 Grace married John Warren of Bertie Co. NC

5 Susannah Brown

There is a missing link here… I’m wondering if it may be a son John Jr that left this will in Surry County?

(((New remark today: I think the BRANTLEY comment by Boddie may prove to tear down the brick wall… see my research of LEWIS and BRANTLEY here: https://andersonnc.com/anthony-lewis-that-orphant-boy/ this area of Isle of Wight is where all of these families converge…the JOYNERS also were nearby)))

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Mary Best Bell, Colonial Bertie County, NC, DB A-H, 1720-1757

Bell, C 167(160)  Susanah Brown, John Warren & wife Grace, Sylvester Brown and ____ to Elizabeth Joyner

Feb. 12, 1727/28. *. 256 A. “…love… for our sister Elizabeth Joyner…” Land formerly belonging to our father, John Brown dec’d.  Patent July 28, 1713.  On WS Chowan adj. J. Curlee, J. Smith.  Wit: Fincher Hayne, Charles Brown.  Court  *.  Thomas Crew D. C/C.

(I note that this does not state that their father died in 1713… it merely says the patent is dated 1713)

C 171  Susanna Brown & Sylvester Brown to William Evans  Nov 22, 1729.  5 pds  for 100 A.  On Horse swamp.  Adj. John Thomas, Lazarus Thomas.  Wit: Richard Williford, Mary Luden (Laden?).  Feb Court 1729.  Thomas Crew D. C/C.

and again in 1741…

F 344  Soloman Joyner of Edgecombe Co., & John Joyner & wife Elizabeth of Isle of Wight Co, Va. to Joseph Witherington of Surry Co, Va. Feb 7, 1741. 25 pds, for 256 A.  A Patent granted John Brown for 256 A. July 28, 1713 on “Bank of the River” adj. James Curlee, John Smyth  Wit: James Washington, Henry Crafford, Morning Crafford, John Sherard, William Plyant, John Fort (FOORT).  May Court 1742.  Thomas Crew C/C.

So the Elizabeth Joyner who received the Brown property by gift in 1727 was the wife of John Joyner… (of Isle of Wight in 1741)

all of which relates to this patent…

Margaret Hoffman, PROVINCE OF NORTH CAROLINA ABSTRACTS OF LAND PATENTS 1663-1729

3313  pg. 285  John Brown  date (not given)  256 acres on the W. side of Chowan River, joining the bank of ye river, James Courlee, and John Smith  Witnesses: (not given)

The half dozen patents before and after that one are in the date range of 1713-1716… so logic dictates that the date of July 28, 1713 is probably correct and was referenced in the later deeds… my problem with this is a “death” reference for “a” John Brown in 1713 (Hathawy).

” John Browne dead.  April 7, 1713.”, p. 34, Vol. 1, The North Carolina historical and genealogical register.  If this is the same guy then the patent may have been issued after his death OR it was perhaps re-issued to a son of the same name.  My theory is that it was devised to a John Brown Junior.  And this is the John Brown that died sometime before 1727 and was the father of the Brown children who gifted the property to their sister Elizabeth who married John Joyner of Isle of Wight.

Now I haven’t exactly pulled this John Brown Junior out of thin air… I do have some proof:

3 Jun 1690…. John Browne, the Elder, to Richard Shewll…. 100 acres (being part of 600 acres) on Broadneck Swamp adjoining Wolf Pit Branch.

Wit: Edward (X) Floid, Henry Baker and Thomas (X) Wickins.

2 Dec 1692….   John Browne, Sr. appoints John Browne as his attorney in the difference with Capt. Hugh Campbell.

Wit: Daniel Leigh and Mary (X) Browne

Consider this deed of Susanna Brown & Sylvester Brown again from 1729… mention of Lazaris Thomas… note where he and they seem to be living:

C 171  Susanna Brown & Sylvester Brown to William Evans  Nov 22, 1729.  5 pds  for 100 A.  On Horse swamp.  Adj. John Thomas, Lazarus Thomas.  Wit: Richard Williford, Mary Luden (Laden?).  Feb Court 1729.  Thomas Crew D. C/C.

JAMES PEEK to JOHN WARREN, Aug 9 1727, 10 pds for 100 a. SS Chowan River, adj. LAURANCE MARTIN, LAZARUS THOMAS at Horse Swampe. Wit: John Beverley, John Sutton. November Court 1729, (Bertie Co Deed Book C p181)

JOHN EARLY to DAVID RYAN, heir of THOMAS RYAN, deceased. 1754, 350 a.. for discharge of a bond from John Early to Thomas Ryan land between JAMES WILKON’s line and the Holley Swamp at Horse Swamp” adj. ISAAC LEWIS, JAMES WILLIAMSON, LAZARUS THOMAS, WILLIAM WARREN to the Wiccacon Swamp. Wit: John Cricket, Thomas Kinsey, John Nichols Jr. Aug Court 1754 (Bertie Co Deed Book H p111)

Note that John Warren was in the 1727 deed with Susanna Brown and Sylvester Brown gifting the property to Elizabeth Joyner…“

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Below I have mapped the above described property on HORSE SWAMP… this map is several years old, so consider it as a “generalized” view. Horse Swamp is in the lower left. I will add details later…

Below is where I have determined where the troublesome land was located on Horse Swamp… as usual, click on the BLUE filename under the graphic to open in a better page for viewing and zooming in…

For a greater “context” of where this land is… see my Chowan “Precinct” map. (under Pages)

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According to my notes here, noted in the deed F 344… it states “John Joyner & wife Elizabeth”. Of course, I am not entirely sure if the gal Elizabeth was a daughter of John Browne Sr or Jr. Perhaps one of you sleuths can enlighten me.

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And not to leave a good mystery unsolved… as I have said or inferred… I don’t know the final circumstances of this John Browne (of Kingsale / Indian Trader) or of his son John Brown(e) Jr? And certainly not of any of the daughters of either. My research is still a theory at this point.

The document below begs a question… If John Browne Sr (the Indian Trader) died in 1713 as I suspect and have tried to indicate in my notes, then what is to be made of these Bertie County “Inventories” of 1727? John Warren, acting as Administrator, is settling an Estate but he clearly mentions two John Browns- a “Junior and a Senior”. Does this infer a “grandson” John of the Indian Trader?