Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina

meant what they said, said what they meant

a Hoax?

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So Jennifer from California and myself have been researching the Bryans of “all over the damn place”… seemingly from Isle of Wight/Nansemond to Chowan River and then down to New Bern… they “got around” lets say. And they bred like rabbits.

We run across a reference to this tombstone…

This just smells fishy to me. By all means it is exciting. I mean, hell!, 1663! But…

Reading the newspaper account…

Roy Cahoon and his buds, Wallace and Thad in 1993 run across the thing and use heavy equipment to right the heavy stone… cool. Cahoon remembers some 45-50 years ago (would be WWII era of the 40s) seeing the stone face down.

But Cahoon clearly remembered what his bud Wallace told him [as kids in the 40s, I presume]... “He said that two ladies came here from New York and had the stone put at the grave site”.

I’m just curious who the two ladies from New York were. And how, exactly did Wallace get that info? Did he see them? How did a kid know they were from New York?

I love a good conspiracy… were the two ladies DAR types? If you think about it the inscription reads as “genealogy” and not a bereaved remembrance from grieving family. I’m not an expert but the impressively chiseled letters of the engraving on the stone do not look to me like something that could have been accomplished in remote colonial North Carolina ca 1740s.

I just can’t swallow this pill.

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My friend David Gammon (you know… the guy who penned 40 or so abstract books) chimed in with this comment…

“I suspect that the tombstone was carved many years after the fact.

In Eastern North Carolina, most early tombstones that still exist were made of marble. Even at that, most people in those days could not afford such a thing, and it had to be shipped in from somewhere else.

Of course, there are other early stones that were made of sandstone or something soft like that, but they usually ended up disintegrating.

…sometimes our ancestors simply put up a wooden stake, or a wooden cross to mark a grave.  Of course, these rotted over time.

Or they put  a simple field stone over the grave.  Sometimes they were able to chisel out the initials of the deceased into the stone, and sometimes not.   

But these were not lasting memorials, of course.

I have been in old cemeteries and seen rows of rocks, perfectly lined up, marking graves, without any real idea whose graves they were.

When I read what was carved on that stone, I knew it was not a contemporary stone.  Those early stones didn’t have much more than a name and a date.  This one had too much info.

And as for the London part…… it reminds me of something I used to tell the students in my genealogy classes ….. the person who writes the check to pay for the tombstone gets to dictate what is carved into the stone.  

I recently saw an old friend.  Her mother had actually taught her father in high school, so her mother was at least four or five years older than her father.  She was embarrassed by the age difference, so she always lied to say she was several years younger.  Her daughter told me at a gathering recently that when her mother died, she made sure her mother’s fabricated birth date was carved into the stone. And not the real birth date.  

She wrote the check, she decides the dates!”

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December 28, 2022 at 3:03 am

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a Tale, a question and a rant…

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A disappearing swamp. So I am working some very early deeds on my Occoneechee Neck map with Jennifer from California who also seems to have ancestors among the rouges of that era.

I was/am attempting to platt a survey of Emperour Wheeler from a Bertie deed of 1728… lo’ and behold the patent discloses the “oddity” of a “first and second” Cypress Swamp. I scratched my head violently at that time.. it still hurts.

A Cypress Swamp for that area is NOT to be found on modern maps (to my knowledge). So if you run across this weird swamp in your research keep this in mind.

Bottom line- Occoneechee Swamp (on modern maps) in Occoneechee Neck was aka Cypress Swamp (for a time).

Now for the question… it seems I have developed a “style” of mapping patents over the last decade or so that is easy for me but difficult to simply explain to others. Hence, I have become somewhat of a lone “expert” if I may be so arrogant. The problem with being your own expert is that you have no one to ask a question of. Capeesh?

Below is what I call a “data sheet”… I hunt down my target (generally from the NC Land Grant and Data) website for North Carolina, an awesome asset by the way, and I find the Metes and Bounds of the patent. The “magic” of what happens then is that those 300 year old survey directions work “precisely” today. Notwithstanding my numerous mistakes. The modern maps of today show “exactly” where the old guys lived. And I do mean “precisely”, you can find old cemeteries and dig up the bones if you call yourself and achaelogist or God forbid, an anthropologist. (See the latest exploits where they merrily are digging up Jamestown, VA old guys. It gives me the creeps.

So here is the question… is there a competent surveyor in my reading audience who I might ask a few technical questions of? They should have some patience because I use a computer program to do the mapping and do not whip out a compass, protractor, ruler and pen and paper, (Metes and Bounds by Sandy Knoll).

The patent above… with the princely name of Emperour Wheeler has the obvious problem that the metes and bounds probably have been corrupted and misinterpreted over the years. I have learned by trial and error over the years to do “minor” corrections to make the patents work. I am however, very hesitant and cautious to do so. I don’t like to mess with the old guys directions! However, I realize that many of these old documents have been re-copied by court house folks over the centuries… and therein can be found unintentional errors. In the above case I find myself clueless to find the errors, which are obvious. Most times I can surround the patent with neighbors and detect the error.

I simply do not have the expertise to “fix” the above patent. A keen observer will realize that (when compared to neighbor patents) it clearly does NOT represent 700 acres… it is a very PUNY 700 acres if correct.

Here is the expanded version with my need to “fix” the Emperour patent. I sent this map to Jennifer from California in our search for her Bryans of that area. Note the John Ha[w]thorn patent (which also has errors)…now look at the neighbor patents which refer to this Hawthorn fella… in a perfect world all these pieces should fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. However… this onslaught of defective patents is severely cramping my style! This whole area of Cypress Creek is NOT fitting together and I am getting extremely irritated with my inability to get on with this THING… hell, I have work to do on my damn Chowan map! smiling…

The Big Kahuna…

But back to the point of this Post… the above patent can be used to “generally” describe an area well enough to do mere genealogy… of which I find interesting. Hopefully this will help to explain why some of my maps have odd “gaps”. Some areas of my maps fit so well that I literally sit back and marvel! at the work of the old surveyors. Hence, the little phrase at the top of my blog page “meant what they said and said what they meant“.

I could do another post on some corruption that I have found in patents, generally by the castletrash bastards that were rampant in colonial government but I prefer to hold my tongue and not waste my time. I do however point it out in my research when they are so reckless and stupid as to expose themselves… i.e. Edward Moseley (he stole the data for his 1733 map. or perhaps I should be more kindly and say “plagiarized” the data). See the patents on my Occoneechee Neck map for Thomas Pollock, the war governor. I find there was a mindset then, and very much today, that this breed of scum that live off our taxes “expect” to be rewarded handsomely simply for sucking vigorously on a hind teet. Sorry… lost my mind for a moment.

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December 24, 2022 at 5:21 am

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Saxe Gotha… 1751

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This is more of an example of my fascination with history than my interest in genealogy. I have a theory, which I am researching, that a possible ancestor of mine lived in this place and was more than likely an Indian Trader. I chronicle what I can of him in several Pages on this site… one James Anderson who can be found at Oconeechee Neck, NC in 1716. Also at Saxe Gotha in this time period was on Philip Raiford, and Robert Long, Sr and Jr. They also can be found at Oconeechee Neck.

But on to the historical account which is the point of this Post.

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source:

the modern day map of South Carolina

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Congaree+Creek+Heritage+Preserve/@33.9074493,-81.0777191,12.18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xf2d6193a12245184!8m2!3d33.9425266!4d-81.0324234

the 1730 map

https://dc.statelibrary.sc.gov/handle/10827/7842

my GOTO map for the Indian Paths:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3900.ar139404/

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Martin Friday’s property in Saxe Gotha … 1737

… Martin Friday a tract of Land in Saxegotha Township als Congrees

on the Southwest side of Santee river in Berkley County Cont-

aining fifty acres butting and bounding to the Northwestward

on Santee river to the Southeastward on land belonging to the

said Martin Friday to the Southwestward on Land not laid out

and to the Northwestward on Land laid out to Henry Scone

and hath such shape form used marks and appears by the above

platt certified … 1737…. Geo. Haig

… George Haig was later murdered by Indians…

…contributed by Jennifer from California

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UPDATE

My trusty and well beloved friend and now contributing Sidekick, Jennifer from California, has surprised and delighted me with an email containing a reference to one John Bryan[t] (sic) of whom I have identified as an Indian Trader to the Cherokees. Not only did she supply the quote, but also the whole damn context of historical data surrounding it. But me, being somewhat of a reasonable person, realize that in this day and age, we live under the new rule of TMTR ( too much to read). I will forthwith produce the quote for the ravenously busy people to glance at. I shall also produce the link provided by Jennifer from California for the more genteel readers of my blog whose thirst for facts can only be alleviated by details.

DEPOSITION OF JOHN BRYANT
page 37
Memorandom [sic]

May 4, 1751
That John Byant personally came before me and made Oath (being duely sworn) that he was in Timossy, a lower Town of the Cherokee Nation, when he was informed of Mr. Maxwell’s making his Escape from Kewoche, with several white Men in his Company. Considerably before Day, he says he was credibly informed of the Affair as follows, viz.: Mr. Beamer sent one of his Men to Hioree for Corn, who going to Kewoche aforesaid was stop’t by an Indian Fellow of that Town who, when he knew where the said white Man was going, told him not to proceed, for there was four white Men killed, naming them to the said white Man, viz., Daniel Murphey, Barnard Hughs, Charles G_ _ and Thomas Langley, and further told him that Mr. Maxwell was gone off before Day with several white Men in his Company, and that there was no white Man left where he was going. The said Indian Fellow kept the said white Man at Kewoche that Night, and sent him off the next Morning, telling him to go whome [sic] and tell the white People not to stir for they should not be hurt. The Day following, the head Men of three Towns, viz., Tymossey, Chewee and Ustostee, had a Meeting and proposed the Day fol-
lowing to have another, intending to have Mr. Beamer to hear their Talks, and also to write to the beloved Men (as they said) Below. But the Night proceeding, Mr. Beamer came to Tymossey, wherein was this John Byant afore- said and three more white Men. Mr. Beamer, as he went by, sent in Jas. Baldridge about an Hour before Day, warning thim to make what Haste he could and follow him. Mr. Beamer, being known to be [thoroughly] ac- quainted with Indian Affairs, and Humours, put them to a great Surprize and caused them forthwith to hurry off, as fast as possible.
Further the said John Bryant saith not. Sworn this 4th Day of May, 1751 before me.
]AS. FRANCIS

The area of South Carolina discussed above is generally of Ninety Six and to Saxe Gotha which may be referenced by the links provided for MAPS.

But more to the point of discussion of John Bryan above… I think he is the son of Edward Bryan, originally of Isle of Wight and perhaps more specifically of Nansemond, VA, who relocated in the early 1700s to the West Side of Chowan River. Either the father Edward Bryan or his son of the same name became a “marriner” from the Chowan River and later out of New Bern on the Pamlico River.

DISCOVERY IN PAMLICO COUNTY, N.C.
While logging just off Muddy Landing Road (Scott’s Store Road) in the Scottstown aread near Goose Creek in Pamlico County in March of this year, William Cahoon uncovered a 600 to 800 pound granite slab from an abandoned cemetery. The information on this huge stone reads:
Edward Bryan, Born in London 1663, Emigrated to Nansemond County, Virginia 1690, Moved to Craven County 1700 — Died 1739.
Christiana, his wife dau. of Hodges Council, died 1743

This impressive headstone and the headstone of William B. Perkins (d.1853) are the only two headstones bearing the inscriptions in this cemetery. However, there appear to be at least ten other burial sites marked with ballast stones.

[from THE PAMLICO NEWS, Vol. 26, No.12, March 24, 1993, in an article by Nancy Winfrey] This Edward Bryan is thought by some genealogists to be the father of another Edward Bryan who died in 1825, a Hardy Bryan who married Sarah Bonner, and a Lewis Bryan who married Eliz. Hunter.

quoted from the website of Melinda Gardner

More later … as Jennifer from California and I are diligently researching facts as to the case at hand.

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December 21, 2022 at 7:30 pm

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William Sims 1760s… who IS this guy?

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I’ve chronicled several SIMS guys who seem to have removed from the early Granville County (now Franklin or Johnston) and wound up on the Cape Fear River…

This map shows the area … roughly. Note in particular the neighbor Benjamin Cooper… this pretty much proves the location. Cooper also witnessed the deed in my notes below.

Below are my “notes” on this guy. The deed of William Sims selling land to one James McDaniel reveals some interesting details…

He married the daughter of William Gray Junr. … was this the son of the Surveyor General of NC?

Is this the same William Sims who was the Deputy Surveyor in 1766?

Wm Sims seems to have removed to Craven County South Carolina?

Again, who IS this guy?

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December 16, 2022 at 8:34 am

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a “new” McDaniels to ponder…

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A commenter (Cori), rattled my cage, and I remember I have been remiss in Posting this tidbit. While updating my Nansemond/Chowan map I ran across a McDaniels chap I studied a bit from Edgecombe County.

Owen McDaniels… I could never associate him with any other McDaniels on my radar. I did manage to track him down but did not know what to do with him. I leave that up to you McDaniel researchers.

see here for some background…

Also use my search button for “owen mcdaniel” and see what pops up.

Here is the reason for this Post. While updating my Nansemond/Chowan map I ran across a Owen McDonnel Hmmm, I thought, wonder if that could be the fella I found in Edgecombe County who left a will in 1742/3 or so? Could he be a hitherto unknown immigrant who arrived in NC or VA around 1719?

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December 15, 2022 at 6:06 pm

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a Tall Tale… er, Tail

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I’ve started mapping an area of the Cape Fear River at the county borders of Bladen and Cumberland, NC. I’m researching some SIMS and ANDERSONS who migrated from Granville County, NC in the 1760s or so. I noticed some semi-circular oddities in the land around the area. So I took off my Genealogy hat and put on my Sciency Hat… and made a beer run.

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https://www.pilotonline.com/news/article_cd753838-02c9-5f88-8cca-a50bcaa9d38b.html

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December 15, 2022 at 1:30 am

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a perplexing Granville question… or two…

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a map to set the table…

Click on the filename below next to where it says “download” to get the best image … which you can zoom.

My personal interest in this map is one George Anderson who died 1757, testate. I have a theory that he may have family ties to some neighboring SIMS folks.

A certain Benjamin SIMS happens to be something of a hotshot celebrity by colonial standards, i.e., he was a pre-revolutionary “hellraiser” which forthwith got my patriotic juices all atwitter and excited… that’s how I roll.

Some background on Benjamin Sims… of Granville County… this little booklet was published in 1905 (and referred to then as “old”).

So its seems that Mr SIMS sold some property to my guy George Anderson … who shortly afterwards unfortunately assumed room temperature, as Rush Limbaugh used to say.

Coincidently I have found numerous references to this Mr SIMS… hence I term him as a “Hotshot”.

Now it happens that Benjamin Sims is on my radar… but it seems some other very capable researchers have “claimed” him as a descendant of one Adam Symes of Virginia.

Hmmm… I think… nothing I like better that a good pissing contest…

And so it began that I started this new Granville map project to settle this conundrum once and for all. At which time shortly into the project I ran across this problem… the modern location of the creek called Buffalo Creek is on the SOUTH side of Tar River. Many of the key players I am researching are on Buffalo Creek. Alas! I find on the Mouzon map of 1775 the Buffalo Creek is on the NORTH side of tar River.

If you study the map above a bit and center your focus on the locus of Buffalo Creek and Tar River you will find the confluence of Osborn Jeffries, Matthews (who sold to a Hunt) and Robert Moody. There is NO WAY in hell I can make that happen. (by mapping parlance).

Now look at the Mouzon map of 1775…

So… can anyone explain this?

Hmmm… to bring the question home, the question is, is Buffalo Creek north or south of the Tar River?

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update…. I have made some notes on the SIMS boys. Right around 1720 is when my blood pressure begins to rise when the SIMS folks begin to show up with adjoining property to James ANDERSON at Occoneechee Neck (near modern Halifax, NC).

So… my theory goes thusly:

The wife of James Anderson in 1716 (Elizabeth) has a signature mark which I find curious… it is an “S”.

Elizabeth “S” Anderson. Can the “S” be for SIMS?

When you sit back and look at the cozy relationships of these SIMS folks and James Anderson it just rattles my cage in wonderment that perhaps she was a Sims daughter or sister? In particular one Robert Sims who died in 1729. No daughter was mentioned in his will of course, genealogy can’t be that simple. I have always heard that when folks got down to buying and selling property “cousins” and kin were the highest priority. Note that William Boon and James Anderson were pretty tight.

James Anderson just drops off the radar around 1727 much to my chagrin and confusion.

But then! Isn’t it interesting that in 1757 one George Anderson and brother William Anderson (from parts unknown) show up and buy some land from the same Joseph SIMS from Occoneechee Neck that adjoined James Anderson.

Can it be that these are sons of James Anderson? And double dayum! are these folks cousins?

Note above that many of these outlying patents are not not “placed” in their correct locations… I simply do not have enough info yet. The more patents you add, the more accurate the map becomes.

Some more misc SIMS notes to ponder…

I may be getting ahead of myself but other researchers are convinced that William Anderson and sons (mentioned above) removed to Bladen / Cumberland County in the early 1760s. I am pursuing that avenue as I write.

Meanwhile for any folks who are reading this that are SIMS researchers… here is an interesting clue I just found… I have not proceeded with the mapping yet but just wanted to see if anyone has been down this trail. Could this SIMS be a son of the Joseph mentioned above? Or perhaps of the Henry Sims also mentioned?

a Henry Sims clue near the Cape Fear River…. the Bladen/Cumberland County area in 1756/6.

And careful readers of this Post will recall a mystery William Sims lurking around in the shadows… is this him?

But back to my ANDERSON research…

Back in 1999/2000 I corresponded with Paul Anderson… he had an ancestor named James Anderson who left a Revolutionary War pension which referred to his birth about 1760 “on the Tar River” in Granville County, NC. I would like to credit Paul with getting me interested in this family of Andersons. He also suspected, but could not prove, an association with the James Anderson of Occoneechee Neck.

This was Paul’s “smoking gun”for assuming the move from Granville County to the Cape Fear River. And I agree.

The DNA of Paul and myself did not match. That can be explained now because my Anderson branch (from William Anderson d 1789 of Edgecombe County, NC) are “bastards” of an unknown Brantley male. My line is from a “female” Anderson… shocking! I know. I joke with Ken Brantley, of the Brantley Group that we Andersons are the “Brantley Bastards“. The DNA evidence is overwhelming.

If Paul is indeed a descendant of James Anderson (of Occoneechee Neck) then that DNA will be the same as Carolus Anderson (noted on the Moseley map of 1733 near the Meherrin River), his brother. Carolus is the brother of Elizabeth Pitman, mother of William Anderson d 1789 of Edgecombe.

That is my “unproven” theory.

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November 23, 2022 at 1:45 pm

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a new map Blackwater West

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I just posted this as a new Page… a couple titles down under Pages to the right.

The file is HUGE… so be patient for it to load… it may be doing some weird things so I may have to make another attempt to publish it.

Click on the filename for the larger image (the PDF version). It renames itself to an older filename so that is weird.

Give it a try…

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November 20, 2022 at 9:13 am

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Nansemond map updated…

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See the Page to the right about a half dozen titles dow,,,

I’ve been working on the Chowan “precinct” area south of Nansemond. I still find it bizarre that the county just expanded the city of Suffolk into the the new county and dissolved Nansemond. But I guess thats how modern “planners” plan. I suspect a tax base and possibly likker was involved.

Of great and miraculous aid to me is the website:

NCLandGrants.com

A goldmine of patents at your fingertips… I could not do this map without it. Of particular interest to me is the recent addition of the early patents of Chowan which includes the “precinct” when Chowan was “HUGE” as compared to the tiny modern county. Many of these early “Precinct” patents extended all the way to the Roanoke River. And vice-versa, all the way to the Dismal Swamp.

From the 1600s up to 1728 when Wm Byrd surveyed the state line, the two colonies would joust, meader, squirm and trespass in the area as they felt like… it particularly ticked off the Virginia castletrash… but thats another topic. So I generally search the Library of Virginia Patents AND the NC Land Grants when I suspect someone was from the area.

Check it out… if you disagree with my map data or can add some info feel free to comment… It takes a Village as the heinous and criminally inclined Hillary Clinton would say.

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November 17, 2022 at 7:36 am

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John Brantley study 1727/8

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I was perusing the “Vestry Book: Isle of Wight. Vestry Records 1724–1772” (available at Familysearch.org)…. fascinating stuff… actual history in the actual handwriting of actual people from the period. I run across this matter-of-fact notation at “Image 18 of 133”:

“Ordered That the Church Wardens bind out two Children of John Brantley Dec’d”

The 1704 Isle of Wight Quit Rents:

Ph. Bratley (sic) 200

Edward Brantley 175

John Brantley 364 (remember the area west of the Blackwater R did not open up for settlement until `1700 or so)

But by 1727 the Brantley clan had crossed the Blackwater River into modern Southampton, VA and a couple more “John” Brantleys had turned up… so Who was this guy dying in 1727? …and these 2 children? So I contacted Ken Brantley (the Brantley Association) and he is scratching his head in Georgia and I am scratching mine in Florida.

Here is a map to jog your memory of the area of “old” Isle of Wight the Vestry Book refers to on the NORTH side of the Blackwater River:

Below you can zoom in

Below is a “processioning” account for part of the area shown on the map above. The map however is from the first patents granted mostly for the mid 1600s. The account below naturally reflects the folks from 50+ years later… but many of the names remain… and the puzzle pieces have been shuffled around… got it? Below is Image 21 from the Vestry Book.

Numerous names of interest are mentioned:

Edward and James Brantley

William Braswell (I think this is the guy who deserted his wife after the Rev Braswell died… he skipped out so to speak)

Edward Brantley (again, are there two?)

Note the areas mentioned:

“the County Line From the first Swamp to the head of Drews Mill Swamp”

I’ll give it a rest now… there is more stuff in the Vestry Book…


Back again…

I have another tidbit from the Vestry Book but first I need to set the table, so to speak… by way of a map, which is my want… if you study this map a bit… all of my motives will become clear (smiling).

If you are really adventurous…type in “brantley” in my search box…

And to satisfy the curious… I do so dearly want to to expose the dirty rotten dog Brantley what knocked up my dear ole Granny…. the sombitch is kin… so I can say that.

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After a bit more head scratching, I have convinced myself this Philip Brantley who has this patent of 1724 in lower Isle of Wight (Southampton) is the son of Edward Brantley the immigrant d.1688. It appears from the Vestry Book entry of 1727 that he and his wife Joyce (Lewis) each lived to a ripe old age. I will give my best shot to substantiate that:

The brother of the wife of Philip Brantley was John Lewis who died 1692… note this is only 4 years after the death of the immigrant Edward Brantley in 1688. Here is the abstract of his will by Chapman:

LEWIS, JOHN: Leg.- Phillip Brantley and his five children; Sister Joyce Brantley; Phillip Pardoe; Elizabeth Pardoe; Sarah Dadway; my mother Rebecca Pardoe. Mother, Extx. D. 1st of Xber 1692. R. Dec 9, 1692. Wit: Thomas Ranckhorne, Richard Piland, John Shelton. Page 320 Pg 34 (Chapman Book)

Joyce (Lewis) Brantley had birthed 5 living children by 1692. This couple were not spring chickens in 1727-

Jn.o Davis was awarded 940 lbs of tobb. for “keeping” phillip Brantley. My assumption is that he was old and infirm since he is being “kept” and Mr Davis is being compensated for it. Recall also that Phillip sold the land left him by his father, the immigrant, to one John Davis-

****.PHILLIP BRANTLEY JUNE 20 1716 ISLE of WIGHT COUNTY
to VIRGINIA
JOHN DAVIS

FOR 4000 POUNDS OF TOBACCO
“tract of land and plantation situated lying and being in Isle of Wight County whereon the said Phillip Brantley dewleth 100 acres being part of a grant of 675 acres dated Oct 20, 1669 to Edward Brantley by the last will & testament and devised to said Phillip.

Witness: Joseph Chapman, Wm Harrison

At the same time on the same page is this:

“To Edward Brantley” for Joyce Brantley 75″ [lbs tobb]

This Phillip Brantley is purported to have a son Edward Brantley. My assumption is that this is the son caring for his mother. As I have not found an Edward near the property of this Phillip Brantly I hazard a guess that this Edward Brantley was the one who settled near the Meherrin River in 1717… it is about 20 miles to the west. …Chapman’s abstract of his will:

BRANTLEY, EDWARD: Of Nottoway Parish. Leg.- wife Elizabeth; son James; son Lewis; son Joseph; son John. Exs, sons Lewis and James Brantley. D. Jan. 26, 1736. R. April 25, 1737.

Wit: Joseph Claud, James Bass, William Spence, Charles Bass. Page 157

Note the very helpful clue in the will: “Of Nottoway Parish”. Remember that Nottoway Parish was formed from Newport Parish in 1734. Remember also that Nottoway Parish was identified as “to the west of Blackwater River”. This clearly proves that this Edward Brantley was not living anywhere near the historical and older Isle of Wight properties to the east of Blackwater.

Note also the witnesses to the will, specifically James Bass and William Spence… but not to slight the “Claud” mention. See my map below:

But alas (sounding all Shakespearian like) , I have still not identified the mystery John Brantley who is the subject of this Post. But according to my notes in the PDF file below, he was not the son of this Phillip Brantley. Ooops, after some thought, the John mentioned below could be a grandson or the son of Phillip’s Sr son Phillip. So I can’t rule out the death of Phillip Sr son John… whew.

Click to access brantley-ph-notes-1.pdf

As a final tedious proof that this Philip Brantley can be identified as the son of the Immigrant in this 1724 patent in modern Southampton I reference a will dated 1752 in which his son Phillip Jr is a witness. The will is for Nicholas Cobb a neighbor.

To belabor the point a bit more… relating to the Edward Brantley property location…

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Well Ken Brantley and I have been comparing notes. According to this Familysearch.org article, Phillip Brantley the son of the immigrant Edward d1688 seems to get lost in some confusion.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/2993-RRM

Here is my theory…

Edward Brantley d 1688

…Phillip Brantley d 1727 wife Joyce Lewis d 1727

sons of Phillip1 d 1727

…son Edward Brantley d 1736 on Flat Swamp in Southampton near Meherrin River (this guy is mentioned in the will of Edward d 1688 “I do give and bequeath unto Edward Brantley the son of my son Phillip one bay mare”

…son Phillip2 (P his mark) Brantley d aft 1758 inherits the 1724 Southampton property of his father Phillip1

…son John is the one mentioned in the Vestry Book who dies about the same time as his father Phillip1 about 1727 (leaving 2 orphans who are bound out)

This leaves at least two children of Phillip1 I have not accounted for. Remember he had five children in 1692:

LEWIS, JOHN: Leg.- Phillip Brantley and his five children; Sister Joyce Brantley; Phillip Pardoe; Elizabeth Pardoe; Sarah Dadway; my mother Rebecca Pardoe. Mother, Extx. D. 1st of Xber 1692. R. Dec 9, 1692. Wit: Thomas Ranckhorne, Richard Piland, John Shelton. Page 320 Pg 34 (Chapman Book)

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September 18, 2022 at 6:59 am

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