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John Bryan 1672, a curious patent

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This patent is not to be found in Nugent’s Cavaliers and Pioneers which caused some relief to my consternation and confusion when Jennifer from California found it by one of those horrid, tedious page by page searches. Several aspects of the patent and its subsequent re-patent 10 years later are becoming important for a better understanding of the immigrant John Bryant.

My theory of this guy assuming room temperature in 1680 is proving controversial and hard to swallow for my cohorts… and I am feverishly attempting to gather my notes and mount a defense … to “prove it, dammit”… so to speak. I get a kick out of this sort of thing…the bodies of deceased John Bryans are beginning to pile up (in my mind at least) so some ‘splainin’ is in order.

One important aspect of this patent of 1672 is that it relocates the immigrant from his lair at Indian Creek (since at least 1652) and moves him about eight mile or so southwest (and perhaps importantly) across the border from Nansemond to Isle of Wight. That is why so many records show up for this guy… otherwise he would have been hopelessly vaporized in the burned embers of the three Nansemond fires.

Also of import is the neighbor Thomas Mason…I am just beginning to figure him out.. I really can’t comment on him except to mention I have a “hunch” he married into the Bryant line. He shows up in too many deeds to be an idle bystander. He seems to be a contemporary of the old man… note that he received his 1000 acre patent in 1666… a few years before Bryan. Bryan will later begin to buy in to this land… as also will some descendants.

Below is the nitty gritty details of the two patents… again, finders credit to Jennifer Thornton.

Click the filename (in blue) under the image for a larger image to zoom…

The strange dotted line in the 1682 patent is just to draw attention to the errors present and in contrast to the original 1672 patent. There is just no way a “pretty” match is going to present itself on a map.

Now go back to the Post below this one and see if it might make more sense that a John Bryan died in 1680.

Note also that I mentioned a “testamentary deed”… my friend David Gammon turned me on to that term… likewise Traci the Librarian once scolded me (correctly so) for using the term “will” when I referred to a deed.

I noted in the prior Post that “a” John Bryan issued that “testamentary” deed to his son in 1725. It was written in the deed that the property did not become “owned” by the son until the death of his father and mother.

With that said, note the specifics of this deed of 1731:

Is it not clear to be seen that both the John Bryan (of 1725 deed AND his wife) are deceased by 1728… as is stated above when the son gave the land to his brother? The son could not dispose of the land unless his father was dead.

Now let me kill another John Bryan in 1710. At that date Needham Bryan “conveyed” 170 acres to James Nolliboy. (Needham’s brother John Bryan was involved… which just confuses the matter). The property being sold was noted in 1710 as “being formerly granted John Bryan Deced Bearing date …1682″.

This is where I get to eat some crow. Try as I might, I just cannot make a case for a John Bryan wedged in between one who died between 1680 and 1682 and his son who died in 1728.

Luckily I found instructions…

This is critical to understand… if I am correct that the immigrant died in 1680… then the person being referred to here in 1682 is his son. And he is also dead as is referenced “part of a patten of 344 acres formerly granted John Bryan Deced Bearing date…1682″. If my reasoning is flawed, it is the fuzziness surrounding the patent of 1682… the old man could not have “devised” it in 1682 if he was dead in 1680.

Here is the smoking gun…

Well… at least we have successfully proven the demise of the immigrant. However…that just sounds downright weird.

Written by anderson1951

March 2, 2023 at 10:35 am

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  1. Marc, I will be following this with much interest. I research the Ballard and Boyt lines of Nansemond and much evidence including DNA show connections with Bryan/t starting with the Ballard indenture in 1659 Bristol by John Bryan to Virginia. John signed up John Ballard and Lewis Bryan from a small village south of Bristol called Bitton. I think the families were likely related in Bitton.

    August 15, 1659 Agent, John Brian (aka John Bryant, Bryan and Bryant of Bitton).
    Indentured at the same time was a Lewes Brian and John Ballard, both of Bitton.

    This is what I have posted about the indenture:


    David Boyett

    March 2, 2023 at 11:40 am

    • Based on the patent map above (Indian Creek), John Bryant and Lewis Bryant stayed in VA but no patents for John Ballard until he returns from England and get his patent for transport of his family and others in 1673. June 2, 1673 as reflected in the official Virginia Patent records. John BALLARD transported his wife Pasheba and two sons John and Joseph along with two others for 300 acres in Nansemond.



      March 2, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      • Mr. Boyett, have you seen any Quaker connection for said Ballard?



        March 2, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      • No records for Ballard, but the Ballard’s and others in the Upper Parish of Nansemond accepted George Fox’s offer in violation of English Law for a Quaker preacher as they were unable to raise another 12,000 pounds of tobacco for a second preacher in a year. Described in the Vestry Book, their attorney was the young Thomas Jefferson. Maps show the locations of the Friend’s Churches in Nansemond. The Geoege Fox papers will have a list of names in Nansemond who he stayed with and supported him. George Fox was very popular in the Lower Parish, so you could say yes for a period of time, they were Quakers, but not long term. Having a Quaker Preacher was better than no preacher at all. Ballars’s went to the one near the bottom of the map.

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        March 2, 2023 at 2:07 pm

  2. Before I arise from my respectful kneeling position, humbly I thank and praise you and Mr. Gammon.



    March 2, 2023 at 12:44 pm

    Agent: John Brian
    Aug 15, 1659 Lewes Brian of Bitton, Gloucestershire
    Aug 15, 1659 John Ballard of Bitton
    Aug 24, 1659 John Boulton of Bitton

    15 Aug 1659 (p. 432)
    following bound to John Brian, Planter, to serve in Virginia:
    Lewes Brian of Bitton, Glos., yeoman
    Robert Brian of Bitton, Glos.,
    John Ballard of Bitton
    —-Bristol Records Office

    24 Aug 1659 (p.433)
    John Boulton of Bitton, Glos., bound to John Brian, Planter, to serve 4 years in Virginia
    —-Bristol Records Office

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    March 2, 2023 at 1:09 pm

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